Happy Labor Day. What's Your Song?

Happy Labor Day. What's Your Song?
The Spine Who Nagged Me
Happy Labor Day. What's Your Song?
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Episode 6 September 05, 2022 00:30:13

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Dr. Chase Horton

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The Spine Who Nagged Me - Episode 6

In this episode Dr. Chase tells a heartwarming story, Dr. Joey spills the beans on his first car, and the guys talk low back pain.

 

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Speaker 2 00:00:21 Happy Monday, dog. Happy labor day. Speaker 1 00:00:24 Happy labor day. Dr. Chase. Speaker 2 00:00:26 You like my glasses? Speaker 1 00:00:28 Yeah, those are kind of spooky, man. Are those, did you take the nose piece off of those Speaker 2 00:00:31 Or no? You ever seen these? Speaker 1 00:00:32 Hold on. That is the nose piece. Your nose. Oh, I see. It's not one of those gag glasses. Speaker 2 00:00:37 Look what they do. Speaker 1 00:00:38 Oh my God. Oh, lie. Speaker 2 00:00:40 <laugh> you see it? They're camera glasses. Speaker 1 00:00:42 Kidding? Yeah. I gotta have a pair. Speaker 2 00:00:44 I'm video recording right now. Speaker 1 00:00:45 No way. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:00:47 They have speakers in the ears. You can take phone calls through 'em they're called, uh, they're called Facebook view glasses. And so I'm recording this right now. Speaker 1 00:00:56 I gotta have a pair. Yeah. Where'd you find Speaker 2 00:00:58 Them? Amazon. I heard the godfather mark Zuckerberg talking about 'em on the Joe Rogan podcast. So went and got a pair. They're Speaker 1 00:01:05 Cool. How much? Speaker 2 00:01:06 2 99. Speaker 1 00:01:07 Wow. I Speaker 2 00:01:08 Not bad. They're Bluetooth. Speaker 1 00:01:09 Have you tried? 'em out? Speaker 2 00:01:10 Yeah, I took 'em for a motorcycle ride and got some good footage. I've recorded a couple of adjustments, of course, with patient permission. And the thing is they have you see the little light in the corner. Yeah. That way it tells people that I'm recording. So I'm not in creeper mode over here. Right? Speaker 1 00:01:24 Pretty cool stuff. Speaker 2 00:01:26 They can take about 15 minutes video before you have to load it onto your phone and then you can do it again. Speaker 1 00:01:32 That's pretty cool. Speaker 2 00:01:34 Freaking technology. Speaker 1 00:01:34 Other, other than that, is it just the regular lens? Speaker 2 00:01:37 Most of them are sunglasses, but I ordered them with clear lenses so I could use 'em inside. Okay. But you just hold it on this button. Listen, you hear that? Yeah. Little. Yeah, it takes photo mm-hmm <affirmative> and then if you just tap it once it turns on video. Speaker 1 00:01:52 Oh, so you can actually take a photo with it too. Just a oh wow. That's gotta be minute. That's gonna be too much. Everybody's gonna have those. Speaker 2 00:02:00 I know, man. I feel like this is a slippery slope of technology, you know, I try to, uh, to stay somewhat disconnected, but this, I feel like is a, for me, you know, this is like one step away from having a chip in play. Speaker 1 00:02:11 How was that? That was gonna come in my next lifetime. And that's the little head of head of my schedule. Those Ray bands. Yeah. Frame mm-hmm <affirmative> Speaker 2 00:02:18 Cool. Some inspector gadget Speaker 1 00:02:20 <laugh> yeah. I mean, well, you're gonna get people. Yeah. They'll definitely be smiling. And just looking at you in those glasses. I know everybody's gonna have a happy face. I'll say that. Speaker 2 00:02:30 I know they're gonna say my God. He's so handsome. Speaker 1 00:02:32 So that nose is not a that's that didn't come for the glasses. Speaker 2 00:02:35 No, this is straight from the factory, bro. Okay, Speaker 1 00:02:37 Don. Alright. Speaker 2 00:02:39 Speaking a straight from the factory and other blessings that I was born with fresh back from Atlanta, I was over there for the prenatal chiropractic seminar at our Alma mater life university, Speaker 1 00:02:49 Shout out life, warrior Eagle. Speaker 2 00:02:51 Have you been over there recently? Speaker 1 00:02:53 Been a few years actually. And it kind of blew me away cuz before that it'd probably been 10 years. She's changed a ton. Speaker 2 00:03:01 Even since I finished in 2016, it's changed so much. Uh, the athlete dorms, you probably lived in those when you were playing rugby, Barclay, arms Barclay. Yeah. They tore all those down. Replaced it with nicer housing. All of the, you know, the, the actual chiropractic college, all the classes are probably pretty similar to when you were there. I was at the seminar and they told a story that I, uh, I wanna share with you. It was about this tradition that this tribe has in Africa. When a baby's going to be born. When a woman decides that she wants to get pregnant, she goes into the woods, finds a tree and she sits under it until God sends her a song. And that becomes the song of her baby. She goes back home, teaches the song to her husband. They sing the song together and then they conceive the baby. Speaker 2 00:03:49 Once she's actually pregnant, she teaches the song to all the women in the tribe. And when the baby's being born, all of the women are around singing the song. That's the baby's song. The baby's here. They teach the song to the baby. Every birthday, the whole tribe gets together and sings their song. Any big life event, the whole village gets together and they sing the song to you. If that person ever does something that is considered to be horrible, a crime or, or something that they consider to be apparent, they have to go to the center of the village. All of the village, people come around and they sing the song to the person instead of punishing them or putting them in jail, they sing them their song to remind them of who they are at the end of life. When that person is on their deathbed. Speaker 2 00:04:38 For the last time everyone in the village gets together, they sing the song for the last time and the person dies. And that song has never heard again. Wow. Yeah. I thought it was amazing. So I was thinking about it when I got back, I was like, I wonder, I wonder what Joey's song is when I saw your brother Todd, last week, I, uh, I told him the story and I asked him, I said, what, what do you think? What is Joey's song? And he, he taught it to me and I'm gonna play that for you now. No, Speaker 1 00:05:06 You're not. No you, Speaker 2 00:05:40 I heard it almost cried. Isn't that beautiful? Speaker 1 00:05:43 No, <laugh> no. And I'll tell you this too. If I had to sing to my wife to have a child, that'd be the best form of birth control on the plan. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:05:52 And I told my mom that story and she taught me my song and I, and I'll also play that for you now. Oh, Speaker 1 00:05:57 Please do. Yeah, please. <laugh> Speaker 3 00:06:02 That bad. The ball couple thousand odds. Speaker 2 00:06:22 And I, when, when she played that for me, I said, wow, mom, that, that's amazing. You heard this while sitting under a tree in the forest. That's that's incredible. But you know, now that I know you're your song, I feel like I know you better. Oh, Speaker 1 00:06:34 Shut up. Speaker 2 00:06:34 And I feel like anyone listening knows a little bit more about us too. Speaker 1 00:06:38 And we got some chiropractic to talk about today. Nutrition, maybe. When do you wanna throw out there? Speaker 2 00:06:44 The last patient of the day you saw before we are doing this podcast, what did you see them for? Speaker 1 00:06:50 Oh, she had a bow over the weekend with acid reflux or high Al hernia was giving her a lot of, you know, discomfort in the chest. Shortness of breath, put her in a state of anxiety and some panic. And it was radiating around in the front of her chest. So she's had a history of occasional, the hiatal hernia pop out. So we just, uh, gently tucked it back in. And she's better. Had quite a few of those this week. Sometimes it just pop out and randomly, I wind up with seeing, you know, a couple days sometimes. But yeah, that was the interesting one. And she's been a patient on and off for a couple of years and she just happened to have a bad bout over the weekend. What about yourself, Dan? What you have today? Speaker 2 00:07:30 Last one that I saw before this was lower cross syndrome. She had a anterior. You were talking about Speaker 1 00:07:36 That last Speaker 2 00:07:36 Week. Yeah. I think we were talking about upper cross syndrome last week, but this one had an anterior pelvic tilt. So, you know, that's when the, so as, and the hip flexor muscles are so tight and that causes the spinal erectors, those low back muscles to be really tight. And that causes an exaggerated lumbar curve because of that, the glutes butt muscles, they turn off hip flexers and quads get tight. So there's a protocol that we use to correct this postural malfunction. But the issue that this patient was having is that when they're doing planks, she fills it more in her lower back instead of in her abs, because she's not able to engage those abs because of that hyper extension because of that abnormal pelvic position. So yeah. She's constantly in hyper extension. Yep. So I've taught her some home exercises to do. She's gonna come in for a two week treatment plan and we'll get her right within a short amount of Speaker 1 00:08:22 Time. Yeah. Sometimes you gotta do some unwinding there, if you will. From few years of overdevelopment. Speaker 2 00:08:28 Yeah. And of course sitting just compounds the problem. You know, they say sitting is the new smoking. So when you're having to sit for work and that's just going to exponentially increase the problem, Speaker 1 00:08:37 Especially if she doesn't support that lumbar curve, which is seldom they do because it's, uh, extenuated and stressed in that sitting position. Little thing, little things like Speaker 2 00:08:48 That. You'll get this one. Guess what? Her sleep position is Speaker 1 00:08:51 A tummy sleeper. Speaker 2 00:08:53 Bingo, Speaker 1 00:08:54 Which I don't, I don't know how they can do it to me. It seems like that would just extenuate so much pressure in the low back. But yeah, sometimes it's amazing. The very thing you think would have to just exacerbate it. That's what they're doing, which Speaker 2 00:09:07 Well, when you think about it, if you're sleeping, say eight hours a night and you're lying on your stomach, that's putting your body into extension. So that's increasing that lumbar curve. So if you're there for eight hours at a time every night, that's just gonna lock your spine into that position. You Speaker 1 00:09:21 Know, I have a, an increased curve in my low back. If I lay on my stomach for two or three minutes, my low back starts to hurt. I'll tell you another thing about the stomach sleeper. Think about what they have to do in order to breathe. They have to turn their head one side or the other. So if you're turning your head to the left, you're shorting on all those neck muscles on the left side and you're stretching those on the right. And you're laying there for three or four hours at a time. I mean, that's got to have an effect on the balance of the musculature and the nerves coming out of the neck. So those stomach sleepers funny, you brought that up because when I was first in practice, I used to wanna correct all that with everybody. Right. And somewhere along the way I like came on and said, wait a minute, hold on. That's job security. If they keep sleeping on their stomach, they're going to have between low back and neck issues. So just a reminder out there, people, uh, chiropractor's dream. If you're a tummy sleeper, Speaker 2 00:10:09 I've always heard people talk about sleeping wrong. And I, I didn't realize that I was old until the first time that I actually did sleep wrong and just woke up in pain after doing nothing. But lay there. Speaker 1 00:10:18 It's funny though. You mentioned that. Cause sometimes you'll get a patient and come in. Let's just say they're in their mid thirties or forties, which to me is young still. And uh, they're complaining, oh, this getting old. And I thinking to myself, you know, my worst back episode, we talked about a couple weeks ago. I was 22, 23 years old. So it's not necessarily an age related thing. Speaker 2 00:10:38 Are you one of those people that can sleep anywhere? Speaker 1 00:10:40 Not me. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And that's, that's both my brothers. They can do that. And a few of my college mates cuz they do in front of me and then of course they fall asleep and then I can't because this is, you know, they're snoring or just the fact that they're already out and comfortable just aggravates me. So now I like a quiet, like we talked about dark room, keep it cool. And uh, everything needs to be quiet around me till I fall asleep. Then whatever you wanna do is fine. Speaker 2 00:11:08 I feel like that's a super power being able to sleep anywhere because I've always had to have certain circumstances. You know, like I said, dark room, cold fan on all that. I know so many people that can sleep in a car on a plane. Not me. It never happens. I can't sleep on a plane to save my life. Speaker 1 00:11:24 Barely even doze off this. Yeah. There's too much going on and not to mention the tight quarters you're in now. No, until they come out with a soft side, watered <laugh> in a California king size. I'm not sleeping on a plane. Speaker 2 00:11:39 That reminds me when I was little. My, my sister would claim that I tortured her. We were six years apart and Speaker 1 00:11:45 She's got proof. She got video. I believe. Speaker 2 00:11:48 Well, we didn't have video back then, but <laugh> we didn't have these glasses back Speaker 1 00:11:51 Then. You didn't have video Speaker 2 00:11:53 <laugh> but uh, she says, and I don't, I can't back this up. But she claims that what I used to do is when she was asleep, I would open her eyes. Like, because she's a really deep sleeper so I could open her eyelid and I would hold up a, uh, like a power Rangers toy or something like that to try to give her scary dreams. I was doing experiments. I guess Speaker 1 00:12:13 <laugh> power ranger toy. I think what was that? Two years ago? Speaker 2 00:12:16 Three years. Two. Yeah. It was three years ago. Yeah. <laugh> yeah. Speaker 1 00:12:20 Oh Speaker 2 00:12:20 Man. Another story she tells about. Speaker 1 00:12:23 See we back in my day, the Speaker 2 00:12:24 Torture that I used to put her through is we were, we had just left church one day and we were eating this little restaurant in Clinton called the smokey hollow. She must have been four years old, so I would've been 10 and she was drinking a diet Coke. It was almost empty. She had gone to the bathroom and when my parents weren't looking, I took that bottle of clear, hot sauce with the peppers in it. And I filled that cup up about halfway. And when she got back, she took a big swig through the straw of it was straight hot, got a mouthful of straight hot sauce. Her eyes got so wide. I saw steam come out of her ear. She threw up all over the table. As soon as my dad realized what I'd done, go to the car. I just remember being in the car, praying that he wasn't going to absolutely kill me. She still holds that against me. It's pretty brutal. Speaker 1 00:13:08 She has not got you back for that yet. Speaker 2 00:13:10 Oh, I'm sure she has Speaker 1 00:13:12 Multiple. No, I think you'd know. I think not. I think you got it coming brother. I would be care. I'd be careful. I wouldn't sleep. I'd sleep lightly. Speaker 2 00:13:18 She's playing the long game. Speaker 1 00:13:19 Exactly. She's Speaker 2 00:13:20 Letting me think. Everything's Speaker 1 00:13:21 Okay. I'm just gonna say they never forget. Speaker 2 00:13:23 That's right. She's letting me think. Everything's okay. Until she comes back and pounce is when I least expected. Speaker 1 00:13:28 So you got that looking forward to, yeah. Speaker 2 00:13:30 I'm sure you and Dale and uh, Todd got into a little mischief playing pranks. Speaker 1 00:13:35 I was just gonna say you talking about like the, yeah. The toys. What was that? You said power Rangers. Yeah. Back in my day, I think it was a cucumber and we stuck two sticks in the arms. And that was your basically your doll. I, I don't venture that far back in the brain anymore. So Speaker 2 00:13:49 You were whittling toys out of high knots, weren't you? Speaker 1 00:13:52 Nah, yeah, yeah. With my teeth. Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative> that goes back a bit. <laugh> shut up. Okay. Speaker 2 00:13:59 While we're talking, what was the first TV show you ever remember watching? Speaker 1 00:14:04 Oh wow. It had to be something silly. Was black and white. I'm sure. Speaker 2 00:14:09 <laugh> so you remember the first color movie you ever Speaker 1 00:14:11 Saw? Uh, no. Oh, I can't say that back in the seventies, a lot of the stuff was black and white, especially the comedy stuff. Like Gilligans island, stuff like that. Uh, your sitcoms were all, you know about. That's about really all you watched and then maybe something like happy days came along in the what? Late seventies. So, you know, that was color, but you were still mix match to that. It wasn't uncommon to something to be on black and white. And you really just didn't it didn't register to you that that's not in color, you Speaker 2 00:14:40 Know? Yeah. You know, you know what Nick at night is? Mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. When I was growing up, I would be at my grandparents' house watching Nick at night. And the shows that were coming on were like, I love Lucy, Beverly Hills, Andy Griffith, Beverly hillbillies. Yeah. But now the shows that are on Nick at night were shows I was watching when I was a kid like friends. Speaker 1 00:14:57 No, I can't say friends. I wouldn't consider that old either. Speaker 2 00:14:59 Well, it's on Nick at night Speaker 1 00:15:00 Now. I, well, it's everywhere. I mean yeah. Try not to find it. Yeah. That, and what's the other one? Seinfeld. Those were all that's good stuff. Classic. Yes. It's so funny when we go back and we think about some of those black and whites, like the Beverly hillbillies and Lucy and stuff that when they came out in color, it was almost odd. Wait a minute. She had red hair. Oh <laugh> yeah. That's back in time. Yeah. Yeah. But yesterday actually Speaker 2 00:15:25 Mm-hmm <affirmative> it flies by, huh? Adriana's already what? Two, Speaker 1 00:15:29 Two and a half now. Two and a half. Yeah. Two and a half. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:15:32 You feel like just yesterday she was born. Speaker 1 00:15:34 It feels like she's ready for high school sometimes. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:15:37 That's what I'm, uh, wondering about, you know, with my wife, having a baby in a couple of months, do you have any, any recommendations for how I can make those first few years? Those first couple of years count because I, everyone says they fly by, but I wanna make sure that I, uh, I guess really just absorb that time. Yeah. You know, and not, and I don't want it to feel like a blink of an eye. Speaker 1 00:15:57 Well, there's no way around that. Just, you know, grasp it. Uh, you're getting up early. That's the key. Um, and you get more, get more hours out of your day. Um, you're never gonna have enough time though. It doesn't, you know, just that's that's, that's that beautiful. You won't and you know, my Bella now she's 16 turning 17 and uh, there's just not enough time there either. So yeah. Embrace those moments cuz they are, they are grown up fast, you know Speaker 2 00:16:25 Bella's Bell's about to get her first car. Huh? Speaker 1 00:16:28 Oh Lord. <laugh>. Oh, oh dude. Like I remember they put me in a 68 Pontiac. The thing had primer on the left front side. So it was, you know, when I came down the road, everybody got outta the way and those bumpers, then they were Chrome and they were like six feet deep. Um, they don't make those anymore, you know? So put her in one of these little nuggets as I call 'em, you know, they look like a bicycle wrapped in aluminum four. Speaker 2 00:16:56 How did you get that first car? Did you save up or did you a family member help you out? Speaker 1 00:17:00 I think somebody left in the front yard to be honest. <laugh> <laugh> I think I'm not even sure. My dad paid for the darn thing. Speaker 2 00:17:08 They had the floorboard, they had the floorboard cut out. Like you were pushing it like Fred Flintstone. Speaker 1 00:17:12 Yeah. And of course, you know, it's south Florida. So there wasn't a hill to roll it down. So basically I think he had it tied to the back of his truck and that's how I got around Speaker 2 00:17:21 <laugh> Speaker 1 00:17:23 I think I had it two years before I realized he didn't have an engine in it. <laugh> and I still were. It ended a couple times <laugh> we were hip too. Now two speakers in the back six by nines. We were rocking. Yep. Speaker 2 00:17:39 I remember my first car. It was a geo prism, white four door. The tires were so small. They were like bicycle. They were thin as bicycle tires. My granddad gave it to me and I absolutely loved that car. I would, uh, I would take it in like a big field and I'd just like, get going fast, pull the emergency break, start doing donuts. It was like a little rally car. I loved it. Speaker 1 00:18:00 Yeah. That's all you need, right? Yeah. That got you a to B that's all it mattered, man. It wasn't so much about being cool. It was having wheels Speaker 2 00:18:07 A hundred percent. Speaker 1 00:18:08 Yeah. Same way with us. I mean, you know, we didn't think anything about it. Just, you know, as long as it got us out of the front yard <laugh> we were going all right. So what you wanna talk about here, brother? Hey, let's do a classic. In my opinion, here, the, uh, 80% of all low back pain, causation SI joint dysfunctions. Speaker 2 00:18:27 Let's talk about as high joint dysfunction. Speaker 1 00:18:29 I mean, cuz you know the old school guys back before they had the MRIs and the cat scans and whatnot almost they knew that, you know, 80% of the time, those back problems started and one of, one of the two hip joints as they call 'em sacroiliac, we call 'em SI joints. People ask, well, you know, how do I develop this? Typically they're gonna wind up with a short leg here. Well, pelvic instability, we call it. And the question that you get was, well, how did I develop that? And it's almost like how don't you primary. Especially women crossing their legs when they sit right. You know, you taught that as a girl is ladylike. So they're doing that since they're old enough to walk, right? And then of course, you know, you got playing baseball say or whatever sport, you know, sliding into second base, sleeping on your side without a pillow between the knees. So that's why I've noticed over the years, those seem to be the most common causes of low back pain. They'll start there. They may wind up in the lumbar spine, you know, with the bulging disc or Speaker 2 00:19:25 Real quick. Let me, uh, clarify what we're talking about with the SI joint because some, some people might be unclear this. So the SI joint stands for SAC iliac joint. And the sacrum is that triangle shaped bone at the base of your spine Speaker 1 00:19:38 That most people know is a tailbone. Speaker 2 00:19:40 Yeah, exactly. And then the ileum is the big pelvis bone. You have two of them. So the, the joint we're talking about is where the sacrum meets the Ilio and it rocks back and forth when you walk. And one of the most common causes of lower back pain is dysfunction or fixation in the sacro IC joint. So as chiropractors, what we work to correct is number one balance between these two joints, because this is the foundation of the spine. So when the foundation of the spine is out of alignment, the rest of the spine has to pay the price and has to compensate for that. So what your spine craves is symmetry, your, your whole body wants to be symmetrical. It wants to be even from side to side. So as chiropractors, we work in the symmetry so that your body can be in balance. You have less tension, sleep better, feel better, move better. Correct? Speaker 1 00:20:26 I mean, we were talking about that when you, the SI joint, like we were talking about tailbone where it comes to joint with what most people think of when they think the hip. Okay. So when that gets outta alignment there, then we correct. We develop or the patient develops what we call that functional short leg being that it wasn't because a bone broke somewhere during their growth period. And it was stunted. It was just it's functional. I mean, they acquired that from like we were talking, they're sitting lying sports or whatever. Speaker 2 00:20:54 Yeah. So it's not an anatomical short leg. It's not that the bone is shorter. It's that Elvis is out of a line making the appearance of a shorter leg, Speaker 1 00:21:02 Which when we take the x-ray that's when we take the standing x-ray weight bearing, most people don't hurt when they're laying down. So a lot of times these x-rays that are laying down they're they're, they're useless to us because they pelvic UN leveling may correct itself when they're laying, when they're taking an x-ray laying on the back. So we take the standing x-ray right, because that short leg is not hovering above the ground when they come in here. So it has to drop to the ground. And as you were mentioning earlier, the tailbone that triangular shave bone, the spine's on top of it. So if it's sitting on top of that triangular shape bone, we have a short leg on one side, does it make sense that that's gonna tilt towards the short leg side? And then the spine sitting on top of that tailbone is like a face on the coffee table. Speaker 1 00:21:39 And if you cut the leg short on the coffee table on the right side, we all know the face is gonna slide that way. And so the spine winds up doing the same thing. Now that'll put stress in the structure of the lower back, but where'd the actual problem start at when it started and in that SI joint, if you will, or that functional short leg. So we'd like to correct that and offset the symptoms up the spine that occurred primarily from that. That's why I was saying earlier, you know, I find about 80% of all like back problems start there. And if you're gonna fix 80% of all back problems, I say, you gotta fix that first. So everything else is sitting on top of that and compensating for that great example, that's idiopathic scoliosis, right? Which means basically you hear that a lot in the healthcare system idiopathic means we Speaker 2 00:22:25 Don't know. We don't know Speaker 1 00:22:26 <laugh> that's right. So, but if you think about it, if that's what happens and the child develops the short leg, it's a four years old and uh, then he's gonna keep growing until he is out of his teens. Then it makes sense that that may be why this thing is not growing straight. That might be the causation for your idiopathic scoliosis. Correct. That early on the child doesn't have to have those complications down the road. That's why we like to look at it. Speaker 2 00:22:52 Right. And when you do catch it early enough, you can correct it. Absolutely. When you catch it later in life after, what would you say after, after the teens, after the developmental years, it's really almost impossible to truly correct as early, but when you catch it before the teenage years, it's it is correctable. Speaker 1 00:23:07 Yeah. And that's why you'll find a lot of the, the orthopods they'll, you know, they stress the fact that if they're going to either brace it or try to put a Herrington rods in there, they, that they kind of really push pressure to have that done say before the child's in 17, 18 years of age. Speaker 2 00:23:24 So we're saying that 80% of, of low back pain caused by SI joint dysfunction. And I would say that the, uh, that other 20%, one word, so as hip flexor tightness, the so as is the muscle that connects the upper body to the lower body, it connects the ribcage and the lumbar spine down to the, the femur through the pelvis. And it gets really tight because we sit a lot. People who work from home, people who work in offices, people who are constantly in a seated position have extreme hip flex or tightness because when you're sit, when you're sitting down the so as muscle gets into a shortened position and when you're sitting constantly, it learns to, uh, it learns that that short position is it's constant resting position. Then when you go to stand, that muscle tries to lengthen. It's so tight that your body has to compensate for that tightness. Speaker 2 00:24:18 One thing that I always work on with patients who have this tight, so as muscle are specific stretches to lengthen that and also a manual. So as release and it is uncomfortable, it does not feel good. It's a, it's a type of productive pain that you don't feel often, but it's something that you get almost immediate relief with after you've had this type of release. So the, so as is a muscle, it, uh, it also makes up half of what's called the Ilio. So as, so the Ilio, so as is the hip flexor complex, that's made up of the IUs muscle and the so as muscle combined and its job is to bring the leg into flexion. So it brings the knee up towards the chest. When that muscle is tight, it makes it almost impossible to go into full hip extension. Extension is so important for the squat, for walking, for running, anything where you're moving forward, you're going into extension. So when the so as is tight, it makes it so difficult to go into extension causing back pain. Speaker 1 00:25:14 That, so as is really the only muscle that's directly connected to the lumbar spine and then crosses over into the belt. It's like you were saying with association with the iliacus, so this is gonna pull you forward. And you were just talking about, this is a big muscle to people and, and it's very uncomfortable to have that release, but sometimes you have to do that. And then once you get it released, then you gotta go in and really start stretching this thing very difficult to do. Now we're talking about that pelvic gun leveling too, right? If you develop that short leg on the right side, and you've been running around like that for 10 years, you're so as on that side has to shorten, cuz it's not going to just flap out there in front of you, right. It's gonna shorten so good luck trying to stretch that out. Speaker 1 00:25:52 It's basically not gonna happen until you get somebody working there deep and release it. Stretching does help. One of the other things I tell my patients, we'll see this. As you get older, you know who I'm talking about. They get up out of a chair, they come out out the car and they don't get themselves upright. They stay in a mild 10 degrees of waist flexion, right. That's upright to them. And so they give into that tight. So as, uh, that's where, when I tell people, you know, when you get up, especially as you get older, when you get up, get up, extend yourself, your body and get up before you start walking that way, you're at least engaged in those so ass properly. You're not letting them just keep you in a board afford flexion problem, which is just throwing all that stress on that low bag, keeping you from falling on your face. Right? Good point there. Speaker 2 00:26:38 Yeah. So stand up straight and then stand up even straighter. That's right. That's good. Possible. Speaker 1 00:26:42 Get up and then get up. I wasn't around when they were walking behind plows, but I'm sure the chiropractors probably had a lot less low back issues back than we do today. A hundred percent sitting. Yeah. Those were some very smart chiropractors. I'm sure of it. Cause a lot of 'em didn't have x-rays they had to work without them, which is a bonus. Uh, I would say, I'm say, you know, it's great to have the x-ray, but I'm sure they had to, um, be able to see the inside from the outside, if that makes sense. And a lot earlier than we did Speaker 2 00:27:14 Well, remember the goad clinic, he had his own airstrip. He was one of the first big time chiropractors who, who had a lot of success treating patients and his practice got so busy. People were flying in from all over the country. And he had had to build his own airstrip at his clinic and people would fly in. He had a little hotel there and people would come just to see him from all over, Speaker 1 00:27:34 You know, and that was great. Thanks. Thank goodness Delta. And uh, Southwest airlines are right here for us. Now. We don't have to, uh, open up brown strip. Speaker 2 00:27:43 Well, we've got the Birmingham airport, so we do have our own strip. <laugh> this podcast is sponsored by the Birmingham Shuttlesworth airport. Speaker 1 00:27:51 All right. And back to that SI joint. And we're sitting here right now. I'm sitting here anyway with one leg crossed. I mean, that's the thing I tell my patients, Hey, okay, we're gonna stop doing that. And they'll say, doc, you won't believe me, but you know, I've gotten to where I don't cross my leg anymore. And then I'll come outta my clinic room and they'll be sitting there in the chairs, in the waiting room. And I'll just look over at 'em and they've all got a leg crossed, you know? And I look at 'em, I just give 'em that eye. And they all Enro it real quick and they go, I swear to God only when I'm here, doc. That's the only time I cross my legs anymore. Speaker 2 00:28:18 Yeah. Well, you know, chairs don't exist in nature. You know, if you want to get down close to the ground, the way to do it is a, is a deep squat, but people lose their squats over time. When you look at a toddler, they can get in that deep squat position so easily. And they can just sit there in that position and play with their toys. Yeah. And everything. But over time, people, if you don't do it, you lose it. Right. So people tend to lose the ability to get into a deep squat. So you lose function of those crucial muscles in such a primal movement pattern. So even just the ability to squat is so important for prevention of joint dysfunction, joint, adhesions, tightness, and back pain over time. Speaker 1 00:28:54 Well, even like the people from the middle east, I mean grown adults, right? The Philippines, these people that that's, they squat on the ground instead of, instead of using a chair and they're fully functional in their eighties. Right. Then that's a case of use it or lose Speaker 2 00:29:07 It. You wanna cure your back pain, get a job working in a rice pad. Speaker 1 00:29:11 <laugh> oh, there's an option. <laugh> that's an option. Yeah. Um, Josh, well, let me see, Speaker 2 00:29:19 You got more on SI joiner. You wanna wrap this? Speaker 1 00:29:21 I'll tell you what then that's. Speaker 2 00:29:22 Well, as always, this podcast is sponsored by Rocky Ridge chiropractic. We're located at 25 31 Rocky Ridge road, Speaker 1 00:29:29 Vestavia Speaker 2 00:29:30 Hills Vestavia Hills, suite one 12. If you're ever having any low back pain, neck pain, any type of issues at all, feel free to make an appointment. Give us a call myself or Dr. Jay will be happy to take care of you for now, brother. Have a good week, everybody. Yep.

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