Speaker 2 00:00:20 Hello, Dr. Joey,
Speaker 1 00:00:22 Dr. Chase, top of the day to you.
Speaker 2 00:00:24 How's your morning been so far
Speaker 1 00:00:26 Steady, buddy? Yeah. Great morning actually had me a new 90 year old young man,
Speaker 2 00:00:32 A youngster, huh?
Speaker 1 00:00:34 In his world. He is. And
Speaker 2 00:00:36 Have you had lunch yet?
Speaker 1 00:00:38 I haven't had my third meal
Speaker 2 00:00:39 Yet. Okay. You've had brunch.
Speaker 1 00:00:40 Yes. I had my second meal about, uh, 10 o'clock
Speaker 2 00:00:43 What'd you have
Speaker 1 00:00:45 Pastrami sandwich with spicy cheese, some spinach as the lettuce and my occasional bread rye. Oh,
Speaker 2 00:00:54 Forget about pastrami sandwich. Going back to your roots.
Speaker 1 00:00:57 That's what it is, bro.
Speaker 2 00:00:59 I love it.
Speaker 1 00:00:59 Cold pastrami.
Speaker 2 00:01:01 Yeah, that sounds good. I just crushed three boiled eggs. So if you detect a hint of sulfur here in the office, you know why
Speaker 1 00:01:08 Mm-hmm <affirmative> hopefully we'll get through this before that. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:01:12 Before the podcast, we were talking about what you recommend for patients, as far as the top three supplements that everyone should take. We're talking about the foundational supplements here that anyone should take for general health. Start talking about those with number one, as far as supplements that everyone should take, what would you say is number one supplement
Speaker 1 00:01:33 That would be a multivitamin that encompasses not only your vitamins, but also your central minerals as well.
Speaker 2 00:01:40 Why should someone take a multivitamin to begin with? Is it because of the nutritional gaps in the food or is it because the standard American diet is basically void of all vitamins and minerals? Why would you recommend a patient take a multivitamin to begin with?
Speaker 1 00:01:55 Well, if we ate correctly, we most likely would not have to supplement. Correct. If we all liver all day, would we need to supplement a vitamin possibly not, but then again, who's gonna do that. Right? Um, so when you look at Catalent, that's encompasses the nutrients necessary for the newborn all the way to the 100 year old.
Speaker 2 00:02:24 Speaking of liver, doc, have you seen this guy called the liver king? Have you heard about him?
Speaker 1 00:02:29 Yes. Matter of fact, I heard about him the other day. That's kind of where I got that idea from. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:02:33 I think a lot of what he says is very valid. Now here's the thing though, when that guy says he's all natural, I'm calling BS. There's no way that, that guy's not juiced up, but that's a different story. I don't mean to call the guy out, but you can eat liver all day long for the rest of your life and you're not gonna get that jacked. And I heard him on a podcast the other day. He was talking about how he sleeps on a wooden board and that's his bed.
Speaker 1 00:02:57 That's
Speaker 2 00:02:57 Intense. That's intense.
Speaker 1 00:02:59 Now let's get back to cattlein for a second with the cattlein supplementation. Um, that's my primary starting point again, if we all a correctly, chances are, we wouldn't need to supplement to the degree that we do. However, and I get from my patients sometimes. Well, doc, you know, when will I, um, be able to cut back on some of these supplements? And the bottom line is, well, when you start eating correctly. Okay. Green Leafs is another example. Minerals are a key product. Um, absolutely part of my supplement regimen for all my patients. If we ate enough green Leafs, would we have to supplement, um, minerals? Probably not.
Speaker 2 00:03:37 So back to the multivitamin, Catalent is the name of it. You're saying correct? Catalent. What's the difference between that and Centrum like you might buy in a, in a Walmart.
Speaker 1 00:03:48 Well, Catalent is food. Okay. That's the thing it's organic. It comes from natural products. You look at Centrum and one a day, for example, it's a good marketing tool. Let's put another fact out there. When you look at Catalent again, like I said earlier, it's perfect for the newborn. It's perfect for the geriatric. There is no vitamin that is made for a man. That's different than a woman. When you're looking at the perfect food, it's right for everyone. And there is no supplement for somebody over 50 Centrum, silver that's marketing tool.
Speaker 2 00:04:24 Plus all those Centra vitamins are aren't they synthetic and made in a lab.
Speaker 1 00:04:28 Well, of course they are. And if you look at them, they're parts of vitamins. Like your, your vitamin C says as theoric acid. Well, that is only 5% of the vitamin C. What happened to the other 95? Well, that's the part that they can isolate in a lab. So since it is from the vitamin, the FDA allows them to call that vitamin C and then they sell it 500,000 milligrams. Nothing in nature comes that large. It's sort of like giving you the orange peel and telling you, Hey, here's the nutrients of the orange you're missing out. So getting back to the Centrum, silver, they're again, a sales gimmick. There's no vitamin for a man over 50. That's different from a man. Who's not yet 50. There's no vitamin for a woman. That's any different than a man. I tell my patients, if you see it on television, don't buy it. My joke is, do you see anybody selling broccoli on television? No. So there you go. The other thing you're talking about, the synthetic vitamin, you can take your Centrum on your one a day, throw it in the floorboard of your car, come back in there next year. And there it is just like you left it. That should be scary. And that should tell you something.
Speaker 2 00:05:36 Have you ever read the label of one of those? As far as the other ingredients, it contains, it has things like polysorbate 80 and all these unnatural dyes and stuff like that. And that's why it'll last forever.
Speaker 1 00:05:47 And if you can't pronounce it, you probably shouldn't put it in you. And that's what I was saying with the Catalan. For example, you put that in your pocket in about two hours, you got powder because that's what it is. It's food.
Speaker 2 00:06:01 It starts sprouting into strawberries and blueberries, right? It grows a garden outta your pocket.
Speaker 1 00:06:06 Well, yeah. Left in your pocket long enough. Yeah, that's probably true. Uh, the other thing we're talking about, so then a mineral, the body has to have minerals. They coincide with vitamins, these work together, and that's the way they come in nature. You know, we were talking about that with vitamin E is an example. When you buy your cent or one today, your vitamin E comes. And if you look at it, it'll say as alpha Toco phenol, well there's seven total Toco phenols in vitamin E. So we're my other six. So here we're giving you what I call vitamin a part of a vitamin in the FDA is allowing you to call that a vitamin, a synthetic vitamin like that with only one of the tole phenols can actually lead to sterility because you don't have the complete package. So in nature, if you're eating a P another green leafy, you're gonna have not only all seven tole phenols, but all the constituents as well, the selenium and the whole vitamin is in there.
Speaker 1 00:07:07 It's not like you're gonna grab this particular green leafy, and it's gonna have five of the tole phenols on this one. And the next one's only gonna have four. And the other one has all seven. Doesn't come that way in nature. That's the way the body understands what you're giving it. And that's the way that it has to have that defunction. So if I'm taking a par as parts, vitamin that's deficient, like we talked about in the vitamin E only being alpha Toal phenol, the body's going to actually deplete itself of those other nutrients, trying to make that a complete food for it. So sometimes when you're supplementing something that is not a complete food, it will actually cause detrimental and deficiency effects to the body trying to create something that of basically isn't functional.
Speaker 2 00:07:53 I worked through college and I was the general manager of a GNC. So I was selling vitamins day in, day out for the longest time. And going to those C meetings, you would learn a little bit about what's inside the vitamins. And it turns out that even a vitamin that might carry in GNCs or a vitamin shop or something like that, they contain a lot of fluff. When you're pee turns bright, fluorescent green, you're peeing out the good stuff. I say that to highlight the difference between these practitioner grade supplements, that we're able to have access to like standard process and met genics and some of the other high quality supplements that are studied by and approved by third party companies. That's a different ballgame. You're getting what it says. You're getting, you're not getting a bunch of fluff. You're getting what it actually says on the label. So you can trust these supplements. I know they're good stuff.
Speaker 1 00:08:44 Yeah. That's a good point. Uh, if you take, for example, your B complex, that comes from standard process. When you look at the label, the first thing on the label is liver. Well, hello, all 25 B vitamins are in liver. So you're actually getting food. The second product in there is brewers yeast, again, all 25 BS. So that encompasses everything right there. There's no isolation. So basically when you read this label, you know, if you pulled a standard process label out, it'd probably be as big as a billboard for everything that's on it. When they just list, basically the foods that are in there, then you don't have to list all 25 of the B vitamins, cuz they're complete in that food because you're taking food. And my patients will ask me sometimes, do I, can I take this with food? Do I have to eat something when I take it?
Speaker 1 00:09:30 And I tell them it is food. So you really don't have to remember to take this when you're eating. And that's a beautiful thing. Some people become upset, stomach distress. When they take certain vitamins, especially something like magnesium oxide, your body's trying to break down a metal. You won't have that with magnesium citrate because it's already acidic and therefore it's helping the stomach to break it down to utilize it. Same thing with calcium car and Nate calcium carbonate, basically it's limestone. You might as well go lick the sidewalk. Okay? Cause you <laugh>, you can't absorb this form of calcium and yes, if you have kidney stones and that form of calcium's gonna be dangerous for you because you can't break it down and utilize it. And uh, here again, the key thing, if you're gonna spend the money to take it, you want to make it functional for what you're taking it for.
Speaker 1 00:10:19 And calcium lactate from standard process. For example, again, here we are. The lactate's not from milk. It's from the lactic acid that is in the calcium so that it helps the stomach to break down that mineral for utilization. And you can really only absorb calcium in an ized form. So calcium lactate has one step before it becomes ion eyes, calcium carbonate, the limestone 15 steps. Chances are your, body's never gonna have a chance to break that down, to utilize it. So are you throwing your money out the window? Like I said, you're better off licking the sidewalk.
Speaker 2 00:10:54 And here's the thing about taking a, a one a day vitamin when you take that vitamin your body may not necessarily need to absorb the so-called nutrients that it contains at that point in time throughout the day. So personally, I like to take vitamins twice a day and I like to take double the dose of what it says on the package. That way I can know that my body is able to soak it up like a sponge. If there's a little bit of excess, that's fine. But I know that I'm closing all my nutritional gaps that I know that I'm not necessarily getting through my diet because do I know a lot about nutrition? Yes. Do I have a perfect diet? No. I still like to eat some good stuff sometimes. So I know that by taking a multivitamin every day, twice a day, double the dose that I'm still getting all the nutrients that my body needs, even though I'm not getting it through a perfect diet.
Speaker 1 00:11:43 True. And again, that's the oxymoron about trying to get something with a one a day, vitamin minerals are going to pass through the body rather quickly and they need to be, be replenished, water soluble vitamins. The same thing.
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Speaker 1 00:12:47 Some of your oral soluble vitamins, vitamin a vitamin D. These things will stay in the system a little longer, but the majority of what we're taking is water soluble. You have to replenish those. You're going to sweat them out. You're going to pass them through the urine. And so therefore we need to replenish. It only makes sense that we would spread those throughout the day.
Speaker 2 00:13:06 I had a patient this morning and I was just talking to him about his nutrition and what he's taking and all that good stuff. And he said proudly, oh, I actually just started taking multivitamins. I started taking, uh, some syndrome and I, I didn't wanna rain on his parade. You know, I don't want to
Speaker 1 00:13:22 No,
Speaker 2 00:13:22 Cause I wanna be, I don't wanna negatively reinforce, you know, I want him to be taken vitamins. Of course. So what I, so what I told him is good. So finish taking that and when you run out of it, come talk to me, I'll get you on something of a little higher quality.
Speaker 1 00:13:34 Totally. I mean, he's em, admitting, he's trying to do the right thing. I mentioned to patients sometimes, you know, if you do have to spend a little bit more, which by the way, multivitamin, Catalent is actually less expensive than Centrum one today. But if you're spending a little bit of money trying to do the right thing, okay. If you have to spend a little bit more to have it actually do what you're attempting to accomplish, then it's worth it as opposed to saving maybe a couple pennies here or there just for something you're better off to throw out the car window
Speaker 2 00:14:04 That's right. When it comes to something that I'm gonna put in my body, I want quality. And if that means I gotta pay a little more, I'm gonna do it
Speaker 1 00:14:10 Because when you supplement and you're taking correct supplements, you should be able to tell the difference. One of the things I like about these vitamins is some of my patients I tell 'em, Hey, if you don't know, what's working, stop taking it. You'll find
Speaker 2 00:14:22 Out when it comes to supplements. There are, there are different levels. You know, I would say supplements like Centrum one a day. Those are the McDonald's of supplements.
Speaker 1 00:14:31 It's on television. And I, you know, I don't really, let's not let the cat outta the bag on this one, but those two are made by, I think one's made by bear and the other one's made by Squibb. So pharmaceuticals don't think their profit comes from you being healthy.
Speaker 2 00:14:49 All right. So in addition to the multivitamin, you also recommend patients take a multi mineral. Why do you recommend they take a mineral in addition to the vitamin?
Speaker 1 00:14:58 Well, because the mineral plays a key part in the cellular, the vitality as well, minerals also have a effect on the sympathetic and the parasympathetic nervous system minerals, such as calcium and magnesium. These are, uh, actually calming minerals. Then we have the metals such as iron chromium and these have their part as well within the cellular function as well. So a multi mineral is gonna encompass all those minerals that are necessary for proper function.
Speaker 2 00:15:32 Yeah, no chromium is really good for blood sugar regulation. That's why people would type two diabetes, take chromium and oftentimes they'll see their blood sugars go down.
Speaker 1 00:15:41 Yes, exactly. You know, and men. And magnesium's another great example. Most people, you know, when they have a cardiac event and they wind up in emergency room, they don't get hooked up to an aspirin. Drip. Typically it's gonna be a magnesium sulfate wine. Well, cause magnesium vasodilator, natural muscle relaxer, anticoagulant see multiple facets of health associated with the balance of minerals. And an example, magnesium is one of the most deficient minerals that is in the body because it is often blocked. And its absorption is halted by a lot of pharmaceutical medications as well.
Speaker 2 00:16:20 Hmm. I like taking magnesium at night. It helps me sleep better.
Speaker 1 00:16:23 Yes. NA and calcium, both, uh, minerals have a tendency to help us calm. So if a person has problem falling asleep, you really want to think more of a mineral deficiency.
Speaker 2 00:16:34 So things like insomnia, D D ADHD, just anxiety in general could benefit from minerals.
Speaker 1 00:16:39 Exactly. Magnesium tends to be the favorite for that one. As far as the calming aspect, especially before you go to bed at night. Now waking up in the middle of the night, that's usually a blood sugar related issue. And here we're thinking more of a protein deficiency, but failure to calm failure to fall asleep, always think minerals first.
Speaker 2 00:16:59 All right. So far we got the multivitamin, we got a multi mineral and what's the third supplement you recommend anybody take just as a foundational regimen,
Speaker 1 00:17:07 Polyunsaturated fatty acid.
Speaker 2 00:17:09 What is that?
Speaker 1 00:17:10 That's your good fats. That's your, omega3s a few omega six S
Speaker 2 00:17:17 What are omega3s good for?
Speaker 1 00:17:19 Anti-inflammatory primarily
Speaker 2 00:17:21 Joint health,
Speaker 1 00:17:22 Joint health. Anything that has to do with inflammation, brain health, the brain loves D H E a, which is a form of essential fatty acid.
Speaker 2 00:17:31 Have you ever had your omega3 numbers checked? There's a company called omega qu, where you can go on and you can run an omega panel and you can see your ratio of omega three fatty acids to omega six fatty acids and find out if you have more omega sixes, which would lead to inflammation in your body, correct. Or if you have more omega threes, which is gonna lead to better health, I'll link to that. In the show notes, we have a promo co where you can go on and get an omega check or omega quant check for a discount. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:18:04 Which is a really good thing to do. Most people, we all tend to think that we are doing the right thing. As far as diet wise, the, the perfect diet would be a ratio of about one to one omega3 to omega six S within the diet, maybe one part omega3 to two part omega six, the sad truth about most Western diets are that we're only one part of omega three to 25 part omega six, which again, like you said, those are pro-inflammatory, which is why I think the United States is number one in anti-inflammatory consumption in the world. Hello? And your omega three is a natural anti-inflammatory. So if we're accumulating enough omega threes in our diet, we're less likely to have the inflammation, joint pain, and less likely to reach for the Advil.
Speaker 2 00:18:53 Now, listen, I want to clarify this. If you're eating wild caught salmon twice a day, really no need to take omega-3 fatty asses, but who's doing that good
Speaker 1 00:19:03 Point. Exactly. Instead, most of your salmon that you're buying in the store, guess what? Farm raised
Speaker 2 00:19:09 Farm raised
Speaker 1 00:19:09 BS, which is hiring omega sixes because the feed corn by products, which for example, corn is high in omega six pro-inflammatory.
Speaker 2 00:19:21 I liked what I heard you tell a patient the other day. What'd you say about if you let a cow out?
Speaker 1 00:19:25 Yeah. If you let a cow out of a barn, the cow is not running over into the cornfield. Okay. Where's he going? He's going to the grass. What's in the grass. Polyunsaturated fatty acids, omega threes. That's his diet. Now in our Western society, we feed the cow corn because it's high in our fruit toast, corn syrup, so sugar.
Speaker 2 00:19:48 And that's another thing about a cow that it was raised eating corn is that throws off the ratio of omega six to omega threes. Because a corn fed cow is going to be higher in omega six fatty acids, which is gonna raise inflammation in your body when you eat the animal fat, because inherently animal fat is a healthy thing to eat. But when it's not a grass fed cow, it becomes not as healthy of a food to eat. So doc, what's another reason someone might want to eat or take in more omega3 fatty acids,
Speaker 1 00:20:18 Brain health, for sure. Brain is loaded with essential fatty acids, EPA, DHA. So think of that as your brain food. And that begins from the very beginning of development all the way through the end of our years, there's a thing called telomeres. Now that they're testing it in the chromosome and these telomeres are like antennas that, um, they shrink as we age one of the key secrets. If you will, to maintaining that longevity of the telomere antenna on the end of the chromosome is the polyunsaturated fatty acid.
Speaker 2 00:20:51 So you want your telomeres to be longer and length, right? Because as you age, they tend to shorten, but you want them to be longer, right? And you're saying that omega threes will help to lengthen telomeres.
Speaker 1 00:21:00 It has been shown actually to stop digression and actually to reverse loss of the telomere, which is a great thing. Cuz as that telomere shrinks down, eventually that cell is going to die. That part of that chromosome it's it's it's life is over. So according to studies, the essential fatty acid increases the life of that telomere by they say 33%. So those are some pretty good numbers.
Speaker 2 00:21:24 And that's such a trendy topic right now is longevity and life extension. But I think it's so important because people are finding out that you can basically reverse aging with excellent nutrition, taking the right supplements, the right forms of exercise, the right amounts of sun exposure, drinking the right water with, if you get everything right, if you dial in that combination, you can basically start to turn back to hands of time.
Speaker 1 00:21:47 Well, and the secret there too, then we call that ENCE, which is actually, you know, the aging process. If you will, however, the money was not made in why or how we prevent the aging process. The money was made in treating the symptoms associated with it. And that's the study of are the practice. Should I say of geriatrics? So the money that's being spent by the pharmaceuticals is to treat all the ailments associated with getting older, instead of looking at how do we slow down father time? And the sad truth to that is in society. You pretty much have to jump into water and swim yourself to find that, but the money's made in sickness care instead of wellness care in this country. And we need more doctors who are understanding the care for the patient's longevity. If you will, instead of just counting the number of years,
Speaker 2 00:22:42 You're 62 years old. And everyone's surprised to find that out. When they look at you, how would you recommend that someone age gracefully? What would be your top two tips,
Speaker 1 00:22:54 Find a form of exercise that you love and do it often. Even if that's dancing don't dancers maintain great physiques, but you had to find something you love. It cannot be something that, oh, I gotta go work out today. No, it's gotta be, oh, I get to work out today. And then the same thing when you're consuming something, when you eat or just, you know, what is this going to do for me in the long run? Is it gonna be beneficial for me? And if it's not, then I might wanna look for an alternative that might prolong my stay if you will. So with that, you had to find joy in life.
Speaker 2 00:23:31 What age did you start dancing?
Speaker 1 00:23:33 <laugh> I was born my Pappy son when I hit the ground. I was on the run. <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:23:40 I could see you in the, in the disco tech right now.
Speaker 1 00:23:43 Yeah. I was break dancing on my back when I was a month old. So
Speaker 2 00:23:46 <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:23:48 That's awesome. Before I learned to crawl, catch me if
Speaker 2 00:23:50 You can, Davey Crockett killed him a bear when he was only three and Joey Jones was break dancing on his back at one month old, you hear it here first people. And uh, what would be the second recommendation for how to age gracefully in your experience
Speaker 1 00:24:03 And circle yourself with the ones you love most societies where people live long years and they have the love and the support of family and friends.
Speaker 2 00:24:16 There's some countries like the Philippines that, that do it a little differently. As far as family goes. That the way I understand it is that multiple generations will live in a house until, until one of them decides to get married. I think it goes, you know, the grandparents will live with the children and the children won't leave the house until they're actually getting married. And if the son gets married, the wife will then move into the house with them. So it's a much larger family unit because that way they're all able to pitch in and help to raise the kids. So the children are getting more influences from older people. Grandparents are able to step in and maybe spend more time and do some things right that maybe they didn't do right. The first time raising their children, they're able to do it for a second time, raising their grandchildren because typically someone who's much older has calmed down a little bit. They're gonna be better at raising the children while the parents are out earning income for the whole family. And everybody has a job. It's kind of like a, like a tribe. And I really like that idea.
Speaker 1 00:25:19 Yeah. You know, early civilizations and what some people might actually, I would kind of call them advanced civilizations. If you, if you will. The area is around the world where they have the, what they call the blue zones. It's where people, it's not uncommon to live, to be a hundred years old. You can have 110 year old father and his 70, 80 year old son. They're still both totally functional. They are, you know, they're out working in the fields. They're, they're, they're living, they're getting up. They're moving day by day. And like you mentioned earlier, a lot of these society's civilizations, if you will. Well, when you're 20 years old, you're out having to hunt and gather for the rest of the family. You know, you are having children, but most of the children are now being raised by the elderly, the grandparents, if you will, because number one, they have the knowledge longevity and raising children and it gives them that responsibility within the tribe, if you will, to, um, their place and in the world and the life gives, 'em a sense of meaning. If in those societies where sometimes they're out having to hunt all day, um, somebody has to take over that responsibility of raising the next generation, if you will makes total sense.
Speaker 2 00:26:24 Well, I'll tell you what, let's go ahead and wrap this thing up. As long as you keep doing what you're doing, they're gonna have to make your neighborhood the first blue zone in all of Alabama.
Speaker 1 00:26:32 <laugh> I appreciate that. Oh
Speaker 2 00:26:34 Lord. Well you wanna go get some lunch?
Speaker 1 00:26:36 Let's do it, man. Sounds great,
Speaker 2 00:26:37 Buddy. Thanks everybody for tuning in next episode, coming soon.