Speaker 1 00:00:21 And we are live Dr. Jay, what's going on
Speaker 2 00:00:25 Top of the day to your brother. All good first round of patience behind us.
Speaker 1 00:00:30 How was your morning
Speaker 2 00:00:32 Steady? Real steady. Lots of good people. Learned a few things, which is always good.
Speaker 1 00:00:38 Did you focus mainly on adjusting this morning or did you have any nutrition patients or was it a little bit of all the above
Speaker 2 00:00:44 Little bit of all the above? We had some plantar fascitis chronic case, and that was really good. And always some nutrition in there. Mostly spinal couple wrist. Let's see some headache worked this morning, occasional sciatica as well.
Speaker 1 00:01:01 We got a couple topics on the docket for the day. One that I wanted to ask you about. We touched on it a little bit in the last pod. You mentioned that really nobody can tolerate gluten very well. So what, what is gluten? Where is it found and what is the problem with it?
Speaker 2 00:01:20 Gluten is a protein that's found in grains and the major problem being that it's become so toxic 1985, because of the problem with world hunger, they actually changed grains. It's no longer that four foot Amber grain that you hear in the song. It's now actually a two foot dwarf. They changed it as GMO. And the intention was to save the world hunger, which they happened to do by the way, the Phantom that it was occurring at that time. But however, with this new form of wheat, it's a two foot dwarf. They're able to harvest it twice as often. However, it contains about four times the toxic gluten that was found in the wheat prior to, and of course now if you're in the grocery store, most of the pasta and other grains that you're buying, if you'll notice in the box, they don't even come into plastic bag anymore. If you're old enough to remember when they used to be packaged that way. Well now, because of the fact there's no nutrition in that they can't even get the mice in the warehouses to touch it much less the bowl we will anymore. So it is now a dead food that is again, very toxic to the intestinal tract of our body.
Speaker 1 00:02:42 What are some symptoms of, uh, gluten sensitivity or a non, what do they call a non celiac? Gluten sensitivity. Yeah. When you're, when you're not actually celiac, but you still don't tolerate it well,
Speaker 2 00:02:53 Right. And full blown celiac is, um, actually I, I wouldn't say rare, but sensitivity to gluten is just about everybody. And most people are not getting treated with anything. That's just the side of full blown celiac. Another thing that occurred after the change of the wheat in 1985 is that your Autonomo disorders, Ms. Lupus, a lot of our skin disorders went through the roof. So you can find a direct correlation between most of these 200% increase in autonomic disorders associated with gluten leaky gut syndrome. And then another common disorder that we see is all the IBS and other digestive conditions associated with gluten these days, skin disorders as well. And just about anything associated with gluten and any type of inflammatory condition is going to be made worse by the consumption of these wheats and grains and cereals that we're consuming today.
Speaker 1 00:03:59 So you'd say that the common denominator for all these conditions that we're talking about here is inflammation. So it would be fair to say that the consumption of gluten on a regular basis increases the systemic inflammatory load of the body, which is going to predispose the body to
Speaker 2 00:04:21 Just about any inflammatory condition we're dealing with. Now, everything from knee pain, shoulder pain, joint pain, then we have inflammation within the cardiovascular system affected by this. We have in inflammation within the gut and a lot of these inflammatory conditions that we're trying to get under control, including if you will even syndrome X that we're dealing with now, metabolic syndrome, these are all aggravated complicated, even sleep apnea has a correlation associated with the side effects of inflammation. So there's not very much out there that will not benefit from decreasing our consumption of the gluten that's in our diet today.
Speaker 1 00:05:04 So if someone has been consuming a lot of gluten through something like eating a standard American diet, the S a D had mm-hmm <affirmative> would you typically put a patient through an elimination diet to flush that out and let their body normalize? Or would you recommend that they just simply stop eating the gluten and let your body do its thing?
Speaker 2 00:05:24 Good point. However, if it was that easy, we would've had it done a long time ago. I usually try to educate them first. And then from that point, what I want to do is try to ease them out of that because sad but true. There's a thing that's found in a lot of the wheat today that are called zine. And those just happen to rhyme with morphine, which does the same thing as the morphine crosses the blood brain barrier attaches to receptor sites that makes you go looking for that zine every few hours. So it's sometimes it's as difficult as trying to stop another addiction, cold Turkey. It requires baby steps. Sometimes in order to keep the compliance up, we have to start small a 21 day detox is a good place to start, but usually the patient is feeling much better after the first week, because just like anything else that you're trying to cut back on, sometimes you're gonna have an adverse reaction to that. And you have a couple of slow sluggish days. It's pass. It's getting through that and staying the course that makes all the difference in the world. And I think a lot of times with people, if you tell them, oh, we're gonna do 90 days, they just can't see it. It's hard to grasp. So let's just go small and we'll get this thing done. One step at a time. That's the approach I usually take. Once they start seeing the benefit, then it's a lot easier to be compliant,
Speaker 1 00:06:54 Talking about issues like, uh, IBS and Crohn's and autoimmune issues. And a lot of these other inflammatory conditions, uh, has me thinking about fasting. Uh, and I'm not, and I'm not talking about intermittent fasting, you know, where you have an, uh, maybe an eight hour window throughout the day where you take in all your calories at that time and allow your body to rest and, uh, allow your digestive system to take a break for the rest of the day. I'm talking about long term water fasting. And that's something that I do recommend patients a good bit. And I have, I get a lot of questions about, I think about it like this. So your body produces energy throughout the day, right? A lot of that energy goes to your brain. A lot of it goes towards the digestive system. When you essentially shut the digestive system off by stopping the intake of calories in general and just drinking water, then your body has maybe 40% more energy to direct towards other processes that maybe have been neglected for some time, such as healing.
Speaker 1 00:08:03 You can heal parts of your body that have been neglected because you can redirect that energy. That would be going to the digestive system towards healing issues of the, the gut lining and things like that. There's a guy by the name of Lauren Lockman, and you can find him on YouTube. I think it's called the Tanglewood wellness center in Costa Rica, and he takes a lot of patience through really long term fast. I think I've heard him fasting patients up to 30, 40 days. When you have a lot of body fat, you can't starve because in each pound of fat, you got 3,500 calories. So if the average intake recommendation each day is 2000 calories and you got 3,500 calories and one pound of fat, you're good to go. So if you have 50 pounds of fat hanging around on your body, you could go for months without eating and still never run outta calories. As far as water fasting. I, I think the most that I've ever done was 10 days. And that was definitely a challenge.
Speaker 2 00:09:04 And on that fast, you're talking about consumption of just water by
Speaker 1 00:09:09 Itself. Just water, right? No food, no lemonade, no maple syrup, no Chien pepper. None of the
Speaker 2 00:09:15 H two.
Speaker 1 00:09:15 Oh, that's
Speaker 2 00:09:16 It. Is there a water you prefer for that fasting over others?
Speaker 1 00:09:19 Yeah. Especially if I'm gonna do it fast, where I'm trying to reset my body. I'm only drinking 100% natural spring water water that came straight from the earth. You're gonna think I'm making this up, but there's a website called find a spring.com and you can punch in your location. It'll direct you to the nearest natural Springs where you can take jugs of water,
Speaker 2 00:09:41 Which he does.
Speaker 1 00:09:42 Yes, I do. I do this, the only water I drink my wife and I go every six weeks to Springville, Alabama and fill up about 75 gallons of water. We only drink that. You can taste a huge difference in this water. I'm telling you when I go to a restaurant, I don't even drink the tap water because there's so much BS in that water. I don't wanna take it into my body. We could talk about fluoride. Fluoride's great for your teeth. Terrible for your body
Speaker 2 00:10:09 Does not belong in your water. They will not even allow them to dump it into the ground.
Speaker 1 00:10:14 Do you know what they give patients who have a hyperactive thyroid hyperthyroidism? They give fluoride to slow down the function of the thyroid. So think about this. If fluoride slows down the function of the thyroid, could it cause obesity on if it's found in the tap water and you're drinking enough of it,
Speaker 2 00:10:32 If you look at the thyroid conditions we're associated with today, when we're seeing 17 year olds starting to develop hypothyroid conditions, think about this. That thyroid has a halogen receptor side in it. And that receptor side is made for iodine. Now of the halogens, the iodine is the most important for the thyroid. Are we getting iodine in our diet? No. That they take that out of bread. Yes they did. They take it outta salt? Yes they did. So the other halogens that we are getting are all toxins. One of the primary ones are fluoride, the other one being chlorine and bromine. So if my thyroid has the halogen receptor site, which I also found the highest in the ovaries and the breast tissue and the prostate, then it's not getting that halogen at once. And instead it's getting that fluoride toxin in the water are in the toothpaste causing a toxicity because they are very toxic. And now I'm burning out my thyroid function with a toxin of fluorine
Speaker 1 00:11:31 Because fluoride and iodine compete for receptor sites in the thyroid.
Speaker 2 00:11:37 That's exactly
Speaker 1 00:11:38 Right. That's right. So, so you, I know, I think we talked about this the other day. We both take iodine daily, right? Correct. I like legal solution. Isn't there a standard process version material
Speaker 2 00:11:48 Process. Yes.
Speaker 1 00:11:48 What's that called?
Speaker 2 00:11:50 That is proline iodine,
Speaker 1 00:11:51 Proline iodine,
Speaker 2 00:11:52 Which three micrograms per tablet.
Speaker 1 00:11:55 So by taking oral iodine, you could essentially protect your thyroid from fluoride.
Speaker 2 00:12:02 That's correct. That way, that way, those receptor sites are being picked up by the very mineral it wants. And that is the iodine. However, most of us are so deficient that even maybe 50 milligrams a day would not be enough to adequately fill up the reserves,
Speaker 1 00:12:18 Mic micrograms, right.
Speaker 2 00:12:19 Micrograms, right. To fill up the reserves necessary to offset the damage that's being done by the floor in the chlorine. As you think about, most people don't have a filter on their shower. So a 10 minute shower is equivalent of drinking. They say about 10, eight ounce glasses.
Speaker 1 00:12:35 Um, so you, so your skin absorbs substances like chlorine even
Speaker 2 00:12:39 More so than if you, if you take it through the mouth, because you know, if some people are fortunate enough, still have acid in their stomach. Well, then the acid is breaking that down to a degree. That's a whole nother story with acid reflux and the lack of acid. But if it goes onto the skin, we get it in there that much quicker.
Speaker 1 00:12:56 So what about swimming in a pool?
Speaker 2 00:12:58 Same thing absolutely positively. I mean, where is it not around you these days? And they're all toxins. We know that, you know, fluorine is actually considered more toxic than lead. I think lead is a grade four toxicity and fluoride is a grade five or something like that. So think about what we're actually consuming. We know lead's bad for us, and it is on a lower scale than fluoride is. And then if you look at the area of the country with the highest dental, um, what they call that, um,
Speaker 1 00:13:27 Carries,
Speaker 2 00:13:27 Carries the highest level of that is found in a country that has the highest fluoride content in the water. And that would be Ireland, Ireland. So, well, I'm just saying, there's your proof, maybe.
Speaker 1 00:13:39 So we live in an environment where it is impossible to escape the absorption of environmental toxins. Right. Does standard process make any types of detox kits or programs that you
Speaker 2 00:13:52 Recommend? Yeah. Standard process make some great ones. And you know what people ask me that all the time. Well, you know, why do I need a detox? Well, my God <laugh>, I mean, who doesn't, I prefer a systemic all over detox. Some people go for the liver themselves. Some people may isolate the kidney and that's okay too. Sometimes those can be rather excessive on the body. I like systemically when all possible, but you know, we have to look at the filter systems, deliver in the kidney and they're going to take probably a major hit here. But my theory behind that is that some people might do a FA uh, detox once a year, maybe twice a year. Uh, but yes, standard process has quite a few. And I know, um, you're familiar with some that are outside of standard process as well.
Speaker 1 00:14:37 What, which, what is one of the standard process ones that you recommend? Can you think of it off the top of your head?
Speaker 2 00:14:41 They have, what's called a 21 day cleanse. And, uh, this encompasses, um, a protein supplement as well as three other products that you consume over a 21 day period.
Speaker 1 00:14:55 And what do they actually do?
Speaker 2 00:14:58 Well, when I say systemic, I'm talking about the whole body, I'm talking about every organ within the body where detoxing the whole system. If we will, we're putting through a cleanse process and you're changing the diet very minimally. And a lot of people wind up losing, you know, over that period, maybe 10 pounds, which is sort of a side effect of being healthy. That's, that's just, we're just doing the right thing. And sometimes they'll even come to me and say, Hey, that was fantastic. Can I do it again? And they kind of chuckle cuz after the 21 days, you pretty much got it down. Now that's just stay that course or as close to it as you possibly can. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:15:40 You don't wanna just go back to the way things were before, right? Because that's what got you where you are now. So you wanna yes. Use it as a kickstart
Speaker 2 00:15:46 And now, you know how I'd the other thing too. It's key, you know, educate them when they know then they're in control. And I think that's so important for us. I think one things that frustrated us more than anything is there's so many different things to do out there. You hear this diet, you hear that diet, you hear this opinion and then, you know, low fat, no fat high fat, where do we go? Liver detox, intestinal detox. It gets frustrating. Educate your patients and your people as best you possibly can. Therefore, they're more equipped to make the right decisions. And there's less frustration on their part. And also I think people want to be held accountable, but they lack the, the knowledge because with that comes control and comes power. And I think everybody wants to be empowered when we're not, we're frustrated and that's stressful. So if we can eliminate the stress that's gonna, that's gonna help a lot
Speaker 1 00:16:44 Going through a 21 day cleanse what would be some of the benefits? I know that when I've put patients through detox programs, before that some of the biggest changes they've noticed are a decrease in brain fog. They're just able to think more clearly they sleep better. We talked about weight loss. They feel like they have less joint pain and obviously joint pain is something you and I deal with the majority of the time. And if just by decreasing systemic inflammation, you can reduce joint pain. I mean, that's stuff that people need to know, but most people don't make the connection that your diet can determine a lot about your pain levels and how you're feeling throughout the day.
Speaker 2 00:17:18 Absolutely. You know, let's look at the, you know, commercial on television for psoriatic arthritis. What do we have here? We have skin conditions eruptions in the skin. And of course we also have painful joints, but they're both. Cause by the same thing, it was an inflammatory condition. Like the 21 day cleanse. Even my dermatologist, I remember asking him with a couple problems I had with some eczema, you know, and I asked him, what do you think this is? And he says, well, you know the skin, I asked him, what's the etiology, what causes this? And he was sort of like, well, it's the skin, you know, some, we really don't know, so me, I've gotta go pull out a Merck manual and I've gotta go find this thing myself. So I look it up. I find that particular exit and I look under etiology and it says unknown. Well, I can tell you cleanse yourself for 21 days and watch it disappear. So in my case, it was, I was a little too much stress on my liver to handle that. And so it has to come out somewhere. So mine was finding the skin as this exit.
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Speaker 2 00:19:10 Right? There's a detox somewhere. And if you, if it's not going out through your filter system, it's gonna go out through somewhere and, and in this case it's gonna be the skin. So we see the same thing with a lot of our patients that we're dealing with with, um, eczema and psoriasis. There's a strong link to gluten in their diet big time because a lot of times with the cleanse that just clears right up and they may stay away from that for a couple years and they'll come back in and they have another flare up and I'll ask, 'em straight up and you're back on the bread. And they admit they are well there again, they're educated enough to know better. It's easier enough for them to back off and do what got it done for them the first time. It doesn't mean we're not gonna cheat from time to time that's life. But at least if we have some education it's easier for us to do the right thing, take the responsibility to do what we need to do to eliminate those symptoms if you will. Because sometimes when we have inflammation on the outside, we don't always necessarily know what's going on on the inside until we find out. And often that can be detrimental sometimes a little too late to turn around as quickly as if we're taking care of what's going on on the outside.
Speaker 1 00:20:34 What would you say are some of the first, maybe the early warning signs of some of these inflammatory issues going on that people might think are just normal parts of life that really are common, but not normal. What are some things you found there? Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:20:47 Well, you know, whether it's a lesion that breaks comes up on the skin or sometimes it's just as simple as whether it's that joint, the toe that wasn't hurting a week ago. Um, whether the hands are tied in the morning when I get up, um, do I have something that itches that didn't go away in a day or two or wasn't there last week, little sign like that? You know, we have to look for that.
Speaker 1 00:21:16 If I, if I have something that itches that wasn't there last week, I'm hoping that it's food related, right?
Speaker 2 00:21:21 <laugh> yes. Uh, one of my teachers told me in school, whatever that is, you got get rid of it before you come back in this class. <laugh> yeah, hopefully we don't take it to that extreme. However, like so many of us, well, I'll give it a week and then I'll give it another week and then it can get ugly. So here again, when I use the word systemic, that means, you know, it's all encompassing. And sometimes the fire, once it gets on the inside, it's not as easy as taking an anti-inflammatory and being done with. And you know, it's the same thing that you were mentioning earlier too, about the fasting you're going through. As you said, at the same time, you you're stopping that digestion process. You're also increasing another aspect of the function of the body and that's the elimination process. So when you stop the digestion and the energy associated with the digestion process, the body can now take more time and energy on the elimination process of that helping to detox the body. That's how that cleanse is helping so much. It's able to strengthen the ability and the time that it needs to eliminate.
Speaker 1 00:22:24 Okay. Something I'm meant to touch on when I was talking about fasting or a couple of things that I noticed when I was doing that, that 10 day fast and I I've done some shorter ones, maybe some five days and three days, and there are benefits there, but I did, you know, you know what an end body machine is, the body fat check that you stand on and
Speaker 2 00:22:41 It's heard of it. Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 00:22:43 Yeah. They're really accurate. They're really detailed. As far as what it breaks down, it tells you how much water is in your muscle. It tells you your muscle mass. It tells you how much lean muscle you have in each of your limbs. It really breaks things down. So I did that the day before I started the 10 day fast. So I had my baseline. I'm not gonna share what my body fat was. It wasn't terrible, but it also wasn't great. Yeah. I'm not bragging about that one. And then I checked it again. The day after the cleanse, I had always been under the impression from reading books like Arnold's modern day body building and cruising around on the bodybuilding.com forums. If you miss a meal, you're going into a catabolic state immediately, your body's gonna start eating away. All of its muscle. You're gonna start shrinking up. I had always thought that fasting, you're gonna lose a good bit of muscle, but it's just one of the prices that you pay. I found that not to be the case because at the end of the fast, I had only drank water for 10 days and I had lost 28 pounds. Okay. 28, 28 pounds. But it broke it down.
Speaker 1 00:23:47 Only one pound of that was muscle. The rest of it was water and fat because my body had gone into ketosis after a day or two, it was just burning off pure fat mm-hmm <affirmative>. And my body did what it's supposed to do. It was not eating away muscle because that's not really an advantageous source of fuel for your body. Exactly. Right. It wants to go to fat. Yeah. Right. So, and another thing I noticed during the fast was that I was able to think so clearly, no brain fog. Sometimes I'll catch myself grasping for a word. When I was fasting, I had more mental dexterity than I ever I've ever had in my life,
Speaker 2 00:24:25 Which is beautiful. Cuz that's hard to give back up after you've reached that point, knowing that a lot of that was acquired through over consumption of energy wasting, if you will,
Speaker 1 00:24:38 It was hard to give up. And then again, it wasn't because I could walk by a leaf on a tree and it looked tasty to me. I was so hungry at the end of those 10 days. Another thing I noticed and I hope this isn't an overshare, but um, I was having bowel movements the entire time, every day, like clockwork. And even though I wasn't taking in food, my body was still passing solids. Right. That had just been building up in my intestines over time. And some of it looked like foods that I had never eaten. Yeah. So I know that my body was getting rid of things that were building up in my system,
Speaker 2 00:25:11 Coming back circled to what we were just talking about because you shut the digestive process down in the body. Now the elimination process came out. See, the body actually has three different it's. It goes in, in a 24 hour day period, we go through a digestive part. We go through a part where we are eliminating. And then we go through a part where we're assimilating everything that we took in. And the problem with most American diets is that that digestion period actually is occurring between 12 o'clock noon and eight o'clock at night. Well, why? Well, because we're upright and we have all these intestines 17 plus feet. So we don't do very well digesting laying down. So we need that motion. So when we're up right between 12 and eight o'clock is when we should be consuming our food so we can digest it. Now we go to bed at night and say from eight, until about four in the morning, this is when we assimilate the best.
Speaker 2 00:26:05 The body's relaxed. It's not having to focus on anything. There's no fight or flight, no stress related issues for the most part, except for whatever that dream might be. You're having. But now the body gets to assimilate. So a lot of times with my patients, I say, if you really wanna take a nutrient and assimilate it the best, take it in the evening so that you're gonna assimilate it during that nighttime period. Now here comes four o'clock in the morning. Guess what? Now the body wants to eliminate that, uh, by which it had to digest through the day. And it's done assimilating all the nutrients from what it digested. So now it wants to eliminate so four o'clock in the morning to about noon. That's the best time to have those movements in a perfect world. But what do we do in the American diet?
Speaker 2 00:26:45 Well, about seven o'clock. We start throwing food in us. So you were talking about the 12 hour fast, the benefit of that waiting until say 10 o'clock before you consume that food is the body still has the ability to eliminate and our American diet. When I start putting that food, bacon, egg, sausage are the egg McMuffin. Well now I've stopped the elimination process. Cause now the body went, whoa, hold on a minute. Now I've got something I gotta digest. Gotta stop that elimination thing. Here comes our constipation here comes our backup here comes our lack of bowel movement without a cup of coffee. And then maybe it's one a day because now we have shut down that elimination system too early. And it had to go into digestion. When you shut down that process that gave that body all that time to get rid of some of that elimination. It was probably months in the waiting.
Speaker 1 00:27:38 I can attest to the fact that you and I are regular because you and I share a bathroom at the office and we're, we're competing for time in the mornings. <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:27:46 Jock you for
Speaker 1 00:27:47 Position on that one. We're we're definitely getting those three before noon. I can, I can attest to that.
Speaker 2 00:27:52 <laugh> yeah, you're gonna have to start the night shift. We're gonna have to do something out. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well that's a good one end out on that one for today. Uh, then thanks.
Speaker 1 00:28:01 You know, actually one thing, one more thing I wanted to touch on before we wrap up, when you're recommending intermittent fasting to patients and someone says, oh, I could, I could never do that. I get so hangry. If I miss a meal, what do you say there?
Speaker 2 00:28:17 You know what? That's one of your specialties. So give us an example on that. Good question. What's your go to for that? When a patient asks that
Speaker 1 00:28:24 Question, when someone feels hangry, it means they get in a bad mood when they haven't taken in food. And what's really happening there oftentimes is the body is used to maintaining a higher level of blood sugar. And when someone doesn't eat for a period of time, the blood sugar starts to crash. So you get a blood sugar drop that causes irritability. So when a patient says that they could never do it, I recommend push through for a day or two, let your body reset because once your body is able to increase its metabolic flexibility and start to tap into burning fat as a alternative source of fuel, as opposed to simply depending on glucose, your mood will be a lot more leveled out. Your mood will not be determined based on food intake. And you won't feel from missing a meal, you're able to intermit it fast. You're able to go for a full day without eating and your mood will still feel level. So you don't have that blood sugar roller coaster that you're on your, your body feels more in a state of homeostasis and you're gonna be burning off more fat
Speaker 2 00:29:34 And people around you like you a lot better
Speaker 1 00:29:36 Too. Yes. Bingo. You wanna wrap it up?
Speaker 2 00:29:38 Hey, for this time? Yes. Cuz you know us, we could just keep on, keep it on. So
Speaker 1 00:29:44 Let's go get some lunch before we get hangry. There
Speaker 2 00:29:46 You go. All right. All right. Great day again. Cheers.