Speaker 1 00:00:21 So dude, how was your morning?
Speaker 2 00:00:25 It was Monday morning, had a good weekend, got a big week coming up, been a really good morning. It's been busy. I've done a good amount of dry needling this morning. I have seen several new patients and I've seen a lot of patients coming in for headaches. I've seen a lot of headaches lately, carpal tunnel. You've done a lot with carpal tunnel. Haven't you?
Speaker 1 00:00:44 Oh gosh. Yes.
Speaker 2 00:00:46 What do you see there?
Speaker 1 00:00:47 Carpal tunnel syndrome really think about it. It can only be coming from one place. Really think about it. There's really nothing on the Palmer side of the hand that can actually occlude that canal. It's it's a tunnel, right? So in this tunnel you have nerves running through that tunnel. You have tendons running through that tunnel. And what is it actually, that's making the tunnel. Well, it's the bones of the wrist. Correct? Then you got the sheath that runs on the Palmer side of the hand that the nerves and the blood vessels run through. And of course the tendon there's your tunnel. So what can really include that canal from the Palmer side of the hand? Really? Nothing can, unless you're laying your hand on the, um, computer keypad. Right. That makes sense.
Speaker 2 00:01:37 Yeah. They say that some of the most common causes of carpal tunnel or playing the piano or typing excessively, so repetitive use injuries sure. Is a, is a big one that it gets diagnosed as right.
Speaker 1 00:01:48 And you know, what we call extension of the wrist is when you bring the fingers towards the back of the hand, right. And that's what you're doing with the keyboard, but the mouse. And of course you're doing that when you're playing the piano. So what is it that's putting the pressure on the canal? Well, think about it is really only, there's only one thing that, um, two things that can really be there and there's two bones that are in the wrist that are in the, what we call the distal towards the end. There's eight bones in the wrist, but there's those two that are right in the top of that canal. So like we do with the spine, right? We get a bone or vertebra that's out of alignment are the shoulder. It makes no difference. Really? What are we doing? We're correcting that alignment of the joint, where the OS osteo structures coming together.
Speaker 1 00:02:31 Basically it has to be the samey are cause in, in the wrist. If you look at that, what else can actually be in there? There's nothing on the Palmer side where that's, where they go in and they perform surgery. Now in the old days, the surgery used to be across the wrist. And a lot of patients would develop a scar tissue from that. You know, some people had developed a OID on the top of the wrist. Well, most people develop it underneath. So if I had this scar underneath the wrist, now I've got something that's permanently occluding that canal. So I can't go in there and remove it because if I cut scar tissue out, I'm only gonna have more scar tissues. So for a lot of people, and this was more common in the eighties and nineties, but a lot of people would wind up permanent disability because now they got scar tissue there. And then they started doing the, what they call release, where they would make a hole in the hand and one up in the wrist and they would run a,
Speaker 2 00:03:23 They would make a new tunnel, make
Speaker 1 00:03:25 A new tunnel and try to relieve the pressure that was occurring, um, from the soft tissue around there. And that, that works a lot better than the old one. But you have to look at this and go, okay, listen, I wasn't born with this. I didn't have it last year and possible that I may not have even had it a couple months ago. So what changed?
Speaker 2 00:03:42 What happened? Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:03:43 And so if it's as simple as these bones shifting from movement and they shift into the canal and that's gonna occupy the space and it's gonna cause irritation into that nerve, then why wouldn't we just maybe try to realign it back where it was before it shifted into the canal?
Speaker 2 00:04:02 Exactly. Why would that require surgery and not an adjustment? Because an adjustment is what moves bones. A surgery is a little bit more
Speaker 1 00:04:09 Than that. And, and of course, when, you know, when you look at the, um, the invasiveness, there's none. So in the success rate is in the upper nineties. I mean, what do you have to lose now? Do all chiropractors adjust the extremities? No. So find you one. Who does,
Speaker 2 00:04:25 I had a patient recently who had, she came to see me after she had the carpal tunnel surgery and she had this big scar on her hand, on her proximal hand or her hand portion, that's close to the wrist and they didn't even refer her to any physical therapy after that. It was just like, okay, we've done the surgery. Good luck got you next time. And here's the thing I've seen so many patients who just complain of basic risk pain, and no matter what the actual cause is, they're gonna get that carpal tunnel diagnosis. So it, it doesn't matter if they're having the pain in the middle of the hand, if the pain is in the middle of the forearm, if it's on the top of the hand, the bottom of the hand, the diagnosis they're gonna get is carpal tunnel. And it's commonly misdiagnosed.
Speaker 1 00:05:05 Well, that's why it's called a syndrome. You know, it it's carpal tunnel syndrome because it's a once again, it's sort of like, remember, we're talking about with the scoliosis, the idiopathic, we don't know, well, the syndrome can just throw everything into the garbage can, if you will, it's something to do with this. You're right. It's not specific enough. And you know, sometimes it's linked to the cervical spine. We know that too. Uh, if you're fortunate enough and that's all there is, well, that's an easy, really, really easy fix for just about every chiropractor.
Speaker 2 00:05:31 Well, let's explain that, you
Speaker 1 00:05:33 Know, well, that's where the nerve root itself is coming out. That goes into the hand, you know, all, all the nerves into the hand are coming outta lower portion of the neck and specifically more so that medium nerve is the middle one that comes out of the bottom portion of the six cervical vertebrae. But the needle nerve is right. The needle nerve is the one that affects the carpal tunnel. That's the one running through the center of that canal. So here again, if we just shift this slightly, not like you were talking about earlier, it's sort of like, that's, that's my tool to adjust the risk. Now, if I went to school to become a surgeon, my tool is, well, it's this, this is the scaffold, right?
Speaker 2 00:06:09 So when you're a hammer, everything's a nail,
Speaker 1 00:06:10 That's it. So if, if, if, um, that's what I do, that's what I'm going to do. It's understandable. So sometimes you have to choose your least evasive modality first, if you will.
Speaker 2 00:06:23 Yeah. The idea of choosing to get cut open with a knife over a simple adjustment is foreign to me, but it's one that a lot of people make
Speaker 1 00:06:32 Caught the norm. I think of it as the abnormal norm.
Speaker 2 00:06:37 Yeah. I say it's common, but not normal.
Speaker 1 00:06:39 Right? But some of the not normal things, I think the more frequently they occur in our society, they become the norm. And that's kind of scary.
Speaker 2 00:06:53 Anytime one joint is affected the joint upstream from that is also going to be affected. So that's why you want to check out the elbow. If they're ever having carpal tunnel issues or carpal tunnel diagnosis, you wanna also look to that elbow as well, because it's likely having to compensate and take some of the pressure off of what the wrist isn't able to do at that time. That's one spot. We often see lateral epicondylitis or tennis elbow or medial epicondylitis being golfer's elbow. And these exactly. These are also common issues we see in practice and easy adjustments to make. That's an optimal place to dry needle as well. What do you see with adjustments for the lateral epicondylitis tennis elbow?
Speaker 1 00:07:29 Yeah. That's again, how common is that ice helps, but then again, we, haven't got to, why is this doing that? That's what you have to ask yourself. What's going on here? Root cause. That's right. So when we look at lateral epicondylitis or what we know is tennis elbow, that's, what's occurring on the outside. And with some of my surgeons, I make this joke with him a lot, like guys. Okay. So look, you know, you're, you're treating this lateral epicondylitis on this right elbow. Um, but uh, how come I'm not treating anything on the left side and they'll look at me and go, whoa, there's nothing wrong over there, Joey. I said, exactly understand that. I said, but here again, we're treating the I, the symptom, the inflammation, why don't we have that on the other side? And we got three bones articulating there. If they're not in alignment properly, then we're going to create improper motion with the soft tissue around it.
Speaker 1 00:08:17 And that's gonna be the tendons. That's gonna create an inflammation there. You know, I'll tell my buddies. So why not just realign the elbow? Why not adjust the elbow? And I get this so many times from him. I really it's it's well, that makes sense. But we don't do that. And so, you know, my thought is, yeah, I know that's what I do. The other thing, like you were mentioning earlier, a lot of times though, you're gonna find that this symptom that's occurring on the outside of the elbow. A lot of times I find that the area with the most dysfunction is actually what we call the distal radius down towards the wrist. And this area has locked up to a degree that the mobility becomes hyper or increased at the other end at the elbow. So if I don't fix that problem going on down towards the wrist, the correction I make at the elbow may not hold as long as I want to, which hopefully would be for a very long time. So you have to look again, maybe away from the symptom here, again, try to find that cause, and then we're talking about the media and the elbow. This is very common in golfers when they hit that fat shot. That's where I get a lot of those come running in, fix this thing. So I can play again, period, that's it. And you know, if you get 'em out of pain in an adjustment or two, then it's fantastic and they're gone. I'll see you again when I need you.
Speaker 2 00:09:35 I'm glad you mentioned golf because I'm, I'm sure that you see a lot of patients who play golf and, and have spinal problems from that. And I do too. And one of the most common issues I see with that is lower back pain from the golf swing, somewhat easy fix for that is just practicing that swing in both directions. Because when you develop the swing in one direction, you're gonna create an imbalance in your lower back and throughout your core, by simply starting to practice the swing in both directions, you can correct that imbalance that you develop through your QL and through your, through your oblique muscles. Of course, getting adjusted is important and corrective exercises are important, but just correcting that imbalance by practicing both directions can do a lot of good on the course.
Speaker 1 00:10:18 Look at tiger woods. Some of the great ones. I mean, as many times as they have to practice in the many swings as they have, uh, a lot of 'em have their own personal physical therapists, their own personal chiropractors.
Speaker 2 00:10:31 Did you ever see that video of, uh, the golfer? It might have been tiger woods, but it was someone that you would recognize he was getting adjusted right on the, the side of the golf course during one of the big tournaments.
Speaker 1 00:10:41 Sure. Yeah. The lucky ones have their own <laugh> yeah, right there. Does it give you advantage over the unadjusted golfer? Well, you know my opinion, yes. You know, and I have a lot of my buddies, even on the course, they'll say, Hey, Joey, man, can you, can you roll me over here? If there's a bench over there to adjust them on. And as long as they're not strokes ahead of me. Sure. <laugh> if I'm catching up, then I might put the wrong side up on you just saying
Speaker 2 00:11:02 Yeah. Maybe, maybe, uh, thrust extra hard.
Speaker 1 00:11:05 Yeah. But you know, that's the thing about you think about that repetitive stress and two with golf. I mean, what are we doing? We're decompressing the spine when we do the side posture adjustment. And what does the go swinging? Think about the back swinging is rotation and compression, and then we're going through the swing. And then we're finishing on the other side with rotation and compression. So, I mean, they do that continuously hundreds and hundred times a day. Us amateur, we do it a hundred times in round. Right. I see who wouldn't benefit from a decompression move.
Speaker 2 00:11:35 I have a buddy who worked for the railroad and unfortunately he got into an accident recently and half of his foot was cut off by the crane rolling over it. And he swears that now that he has half a foot, that his golf swing's gotten better. <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:11:51 Hey, I'm not going to that extreme yet. But that might be my next move.
Speaker 2 00:11:55 No, you wanna take off a couple of strokes? Amputate look,
Speaker 1 00:11:58 Man, my feet are short enough already. I couldn't even take a toe off. I would probably not be able to find a shoe to fit. Yeah. <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:12:06 That's what I tell Katie. Katie has the longest toes in the world. Uhoh
Speaker 1 00:12:12 Katie. Oh, he didn't say that.
Speaker 2 00:12:13 You know, she'll tell you and I, she
Speaker 1 00:12:15 Look nine iron for the second toes of the big one.
Speaker 2 00:12:17 Yeah. She wear, she wears a size eight and without her toes she wears a size four.
Speaker 1 00:12:21 <laugh> Katie. Hell of a piano player. I bet you with those feet. Yeah. No, my brother's one of my brother Dale. That's his feet. He looks like a golf bag, man. You got a driver, a nine iron four, four iron in there. Poor thing.
Speaker 2 00:12:34 Oh. And by the way, Dale, you're welcome for that egg business. We sent you from the last podcast.
Speaker 1 00:12:40 Yes. Oh, and guess what? He's duck. He's got duck eggs now for real. And they are the bomb. Yes. They are
Speaker 2 00:12:46 Never had a duck egg. What's different.
Speaker 1 00:12:48 Um, nutritionally. They're about the same. There's more B12 in the duck egg. They're bigger. Uh, no, actually these are smaller, but his ducks are, um, they're young. I'm certain that as they grow, they're gonna be well, think about it. Most ducks are actually bigger than chicken, so they I'm sure they're gonna wind up being the same size. It's a stronger egg shell on there. Um, nutrition's just about the same. Like I said, the B12 maybe a little bit more, there's a little more lineal actually in, um, in the egg than there is in the duck. And of course, you know, the duck is a fattier meat, so there's a little more cholesterol in there. And the overall fat content, just slightly higher calories though, about a hundred calories, more poor duck egg than, than the chicken egg.
Speaker 2 00:13:31 Just simply because of more fat. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:13:33 But who's scared of calories, you know, that's mm-hmm, <affirmative>, that's irrelevant.
Speaker 2 00:13:36 So we feed eggshells to Henry cuz you know, we make his food.
Speaker 1 00:13:40 Excellent behavior. Calcium minerals, magnesium right there. Low. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:13:44 Yeah. But we mix up raw Turkey. Mm-hmm <affirmative> um, we put broccoli raw. We put, uh, vitamin powder. We put some carrots, sometimes sweet potatoes and um, every now and then we'll throw some blueberries in there. We crack raw eggs and then we put the egg shells in his food, mix it up. He eats that once a day. He,
Speaker 1 00:14:03 Well, I would eat it three times a day. There'll be a fight when I'm over there. Yeah. Promise
Speaker 2 00:14:06 You he's he just eats once a day. Oh we'll put some flax seed oil in there for him. For some health fat Henry is he's got like the healthiest coat. I really think that when I switched him over to the raw diet that it changes his demeanor a little bit. He's more calm. He's uh, he's he's a good
Speaker 1 00:14:23 Puppy, you know, I'm sorry people, but that's a better diet than 50% of the people I know just saying
Speaker 2 00:14:33 It's true. But we read this book called food pets die for, and it tells you what's in Purina and all the popular dog foods you might buy at the grocery store and it's not pretty.
Speaker 1 00:14:45 No. And you know, what's kind of sad to now you even see some of these commercials now Purina's coming out with blue star or if you will like, okay, we caught on y'all got us all right. Here's a little better brand of ours, but yeah, we sold you the other stuff for 40 years until somebody came out and did a study and now forget us if you can. But yeah, this one's a little better. No,
Speaker 2 00:15:08 You know, there's always been legends about there being horse meat and dog food. But if, if it was horse meat, it'd be way better than what's actually in it. It highly rec highly recommend the book, food pets die for you'll you'll add years to your pet's life. By reading this book,
Speaker 1 00:15:22 They deserve it. Absolutely. Yeah. They deserve that.
Speaker 2 00:15:25 You know, a dog might make makeup. What? Seven, maybe 10% of your life, depending on how many years they live, but you make up 100% of their life. So I feel like I owe it to him to give him, give him good food, give him a good place to live, make sure he is comfortable and happy and give him plenty of love. And, and I, I sleep better knowing that he's got a, a good life.
Speaker 1 00:15:45 Absolutely. And don't you think for many, he doesn't know that that's that's true. That's a, that's a good, good point.
Speaker 2 00:15:51 You got a, you got a new puppy.
Speaker 1 00:15:54 Yes. Ruby Sue. Yes she is. Um, is that a Labbad doodle miniature, which I don't know about miniature, but um, she's a sweetheart.
Speaker 2 00:16:03 Great personality. She's so calm. She'll just get right into your lap and just stare at you.
Speaker 1 00:16:09 Yeah. And that's cuz she runs a pretty good set of girls over there at the family. I must admit yes. Nothing to do with me. I can
Speaker 2 00:16:15 Tell you how does Adriana interact with
Speaker 1 00:16:18 Her? Oh, that's her best friend. Yeah. Yes. Which it's actually now Ruby. Sue's about the size of Adriana. She's two and a half now. And um, well, you know, pubs get there quick, but uh, yeah. They're best friends. It's funny. I'll take Ruby Sue out in the morning so she can do her thing. And then when I bring her back in, Adriana's still in her bedroom and Ruby Sue will run over the door and just lay right there until Adriana comes out. You
Speaker 2 00:16:44 Know, I see the pictures that Hannah posts on, on her Instagram she'll be. Hannah will be driving down the road, Ruby Sue, sitting in her lap.
Speaker 1 00:16:52 <laugh> yeah, I'm trying to break her up that habit. Uh, best state of your patrol. Um, we're cranking that we speak.
Speaker 2 00:16:59 Have you taken her in to see Dr. Natalie at, you know, the, that holistic vet down two 80?
Speaker 1 00:17:04 Uh, no, actually we're using uh, Dr. Tammy, uh, STR over here, um, by the clinic.
Speaker 2 00:17:11 Did, uh, Stephanie ever tell you about what happened with their P the little beagle, how she was taking her to a reg to a regular vet. They diagnosed her with some kind of cancer and the dog got where it couldn't walk anymore. It was on his death bed, stopped eating. So we were like, look, you gotta take her to see Dr. Natalie. She's a holistic vet. She does acupuncture. She'll make you start making his food. But, uh, she'll put him on supplements. It's like functional medicine for dogs. So she's a little skeptical, but she agreed to go. So she takes this dog down to see her. And um, she's like, okay, look, I don't wanna make any promises, but I think we can do some good here. I think we can at least add, add some months. So this has been maybe last year and Stephanie started making her food, put her on some supplements. They got the lab work done, totally brought the dog back to life. Like she runs around now. She's not sick anymore. Cancer's gone runs outside, totally healthy dog. And the vet had said, look, she, maybe she's got maybe a week left. So gotta give a shout out wellbeing medicine for animals in Birmingham.
Speaker 1 00:18:21 That dog is on standard process. Canine support.
Speaker 2 00:18:24 Yeah, totally. That's the supplements. And that's what she recommended. Yes.
Speaker 1 00:18:27 That's the supplements. So standard process does make supplements just for your, your fee line, your canine, and also your equine.
Speaker 2 00:18:38 When people find out that we do, uh, that we take our dog to get acupuncture. They're like, what the hell are you doing? <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:18:44 Well, I mean, you know, I've been adjusting for adjusting animals. What, uh, gosh, maybe 20 years now. It's amazing. And the guy who, the, the, the vet who taught me, he was famous from out in Washington, state Dr. Inman and at the seminars, that's what he told, um, the, the vets and the chiropractors in the seminar. He said, listen, I learned to start addressing animals because I got tired of losing them. You know, we're talking about sports earlier and about golfers and how, you know, some of them have their own, um, chiropractor. Well, the elite level of horse racing is illegal to have your horse adjusted the day of the race against the other horse. They figure that it gives the or adjusted horse and advantage. Now, to me, it's like, well, listen, I mean, I want to adjust my horse and you don't, that's your choice. I shouldn't be punished for it. Right. But that says a lot of volume about the power of the adjustment. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:19:39 Remember when you went to, uh, that horse barn to adjust the horses and you saw that Yankee cat walking around. Yeah. What happened?
Speaker 1 00:19:45 One adjustment, straighten the cat right up. Boom. Perfect.
Speaker 2 00:19:48 So what it was walking around three legs or something, right?
Speaker 1 00:19:51 So this cat was, uh, basically just hovering and hiding out in dark places. And, um, that day I was at the, uh, stalls, they said, well, why you here? Would you mind adjusting the cat? So they brought the cat out. And sure. Now, if this was the very first thing that I learned from Dr. Inman, uh, again, idiopathic for T will Basler dysfunction or something like that, basically the upper neck side of alignment. And there you have a horrible case of vertigo. So one of the vets here in Alabama, I think he was from, um, Jemison. He was at the stall that day and, uh, they bring the cat to me and I adjust the cat in the upper neck and instantly the cat's head balances out. So they let the cat down, he's out, running around the, the stalls and somebody at the stall says, whose cat is that? And somebody said, oh, that's what can't remember the name of the cat, but, um, little bit or whatever, less, little bit what that cat's head is straight. And my vet buddy, he looked over me. He goes, man, that's amazing. Um, and just like that, boom, fix the thing.
Speaker 2 00:21:02 They have a spine, just like we do same amount of ver gray in the neck. Devi, cervical vertebrae. Yeah. Even if giraffe has seven cervical vertebrae, just like we do. They're just a little taller.
Speaker 1 00:21:11 Yeah. That's a, that's a good, um, trivia question. Yeah. That's a good trivia question because imagine the size of those suckers imagine adjusting that. What would that take? Like a two by four and a rubber mallet.
Speaker 2 00:21:22 Oh man. You have to get a running start job. You do a double kick.
Speaker 1 00:21:26 Yes. Imagine trying to get that thing to tension right before you thrust people ask me that all the time. Well, how do you adjust a horse? You know? Well, carefully <laugh>. Yeah. Say least. Cause trust me if a horse doesn't wanna be adjusted, you're not adjusting it, but out of all the dog, the horse, the cat give me anything. But that cat, if at all possible, cause they don't wanna be adjusted. They can get ugly too. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:21:51 Have you ever been kicked by a horse?
Speaker 1 00:21:53 Uh, fortunately I have not.
Speaker 2 00:21:55 I got kicked by a horse when I was a kid. It was my fault though. I was, I walked up to him wearing a motorcycle helmet and he didn't recognize me. And I, I was just far enough behind where they could take a couple steps back and yeah, yeah. Hit my arm. I could have sworn my arm was in two pieces, man, but it turned so black. Oh,
Speaker 1 00:22:12 Got it. I didn't have a arm pad on. I had a helmet on for
Speaker 2 00:22:15 You couldn't you kicked me in the head instead. Have you ever had any other injuries?
Speaker 1 00:22:20 You did? Oh, well yeah. Too many to count, but I will knock on wood on this. No surgeries. Boom, boom, boom. There we go.
Speaker 2 00:22:29 I wouldn't call this an injury, but I was in middle school, sixth grade, homeroom class, Mrs. Sanders, homeroom class. I remember it like it was yesterday. All the students were seated in their alphabetically and I was seated next to Ryan Horton, no relation. And uh, he was my buddy and we would sit there and we had UN we had a paperclip and we had unfolded it all the way. So it was like about that long, just straight. And we would take it and THP it back and forth. Like you would a paper football mm-hmm <affirmative> we would THP it and catch it, thump it, catch it. So he rared back and he flicked that thing at me so hard one time and we both lost sight of it. Looking around in the ground. Can't find it on the ground. Can't find it on my desk. I don't see it on the paper. And I'm looking down and I see just a little red.here on the paper under me. And we look at each other like what's that? And I start wheeling my nose a little bit and I reach all the way up in my nose. It went up in and I pulled it out slow. And that hole four inch long stretched out. Paperclip had gone straight up my nose. I didn't even feel it. Wow. It was insane. You that shot could never happen again a million years.
Speaker 1 00:23:37 No. No, you couldn't attempt to do that
Speaker 2 00:23:39 In a million. That's one of those unexplainable events. Wow.
Speaker 1 00:23:42 That's wild. The things wild as you didn't feel that I know. Pretty sharp little point you had on that. Uh, yeah. Paper clip.
Speaker 2 00:23:49 I dunno what that says about the size of my brain. That I didn't feel it, but <laugh>, <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:23:55 Uh, the things that we escaped in our youth brother. Yeah. When you talk about things like that. Yeah. I can remember darts reaching for a dart board when my brother's throwing one right into my hand, bump that's happened. Uh, crazy things. How about putting an apple on the head and letting your next door neighbor shoot up with a BB gun only to catch you in the forehead. And I re I remember one of my neighbors, the parkers and Greg Parker was shooting his brother with a BB gun like that. And it hit Tim in the forehead. And I think he had that BB in his forehead for a couple weeks. It worked his way out. You know, you didn't go to the doctor back then they had that removed. He was like, get back
Speaker 2 00:24:28 Out in the yard. You ever see my dad's x-ray
Speaker 1 00:24:31 I
Speaker 2 00:24:31 Don't cervical x-ray. I took it over at my old clinic. And uh, when I was go over going over it with him, I was looking at it close. I was like, what, what is that? What is that? Right there on the front was a perfect little perfect circle. And he had you he's like, oh yeah, I forgot. I got shot with a shotgun. When I was younger. He still has a, a little Pelle to BB and implanted in his neck.
Speaker 1 00:24:51 Yep. Not worth going. And therefore it's not really doing anything. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:24:56 Oh, but crazy things we did when we were young. I, I swam in a water tower. Ooh, this wasn't one of the ones on stilts. This is one of the ones that solid all the way down. So this thing was probably a hundred feet deep. Mm-hmm <affirmative> jumped over Barb wire fence threw a piece of carpet over. It jumped over middle of the night, climbed all the way up the side, got to the top. There's a hatch on the top. There's probably seven of us opened it up, looked down in there. All we had was one glow stick between us. That's the only light we had dropped that glow stick down in there. And you just see it slowly sink to the bottom until it's just a tiny green dot. You're like, all right, literally sink or swim. So there's a ladder that goes down in it, all the all, but one of us climb down in there, swim around for a minute. And then I had vision of this movie I saw when I was a kid called the war. There's a scene where they swim in a water tower and it turns on and it starts whirl pulling in there. And it sucks. One of 'em down to the bottom. As soon as that thought came to my head, I was like, all right, man, I'm done. Let's get outta
Speaker 1 00:25:53 Here. <laugh> wow. Mm-hmm not me. I would've been that one. That up top. I'll be the watch out.
Speaker 2 00:25:58 These are the things you do in this growing up in a small town like Montevallo, you know, there's more than one traffic light, but you know, there's not a lot to do. So you wanna swim in a water tower for action, you
Speaker 1 00:26:07 Know? Yep. Yep. For the stories you can tell. I grew up the same way with my brothers. We were out in the country and the things you find to, do
Speaker 2 00:26:16 You ever tip to cow
Speaker 1 00:26:19 Personally? No. I've been out there when they've been tipped, but I can't personally say that I have.
Speaker 2 00:26:25 So you're guilty by association.
Speaker 1 00:26:27 Uh, yeah, once again, I was down with the watch out. Not sure what I was watching out for,
Speaker 2 00:26:31 You know, cow tipping seems more like an Alabama thing, but you grew up in Florida.
Speaker 1 00:26:35 Uh, but there are cows in Florida. That's true.
Speaker 2 00:26:37 Yeah. I think there's a little more to do in south Florida than tip cows
Speaker 1 00:26:41 One or two things that I found <laugh> I had to move outta there. Cause I think I wore myself out there. So either that, or maybe I'm just not allowing back,
Speaker 2 00:26:52 That's it?
Speaker 1 00:26:54 Yeah. With a name like Joe Jones. Yeah. Right. Who are you? Yes. Uh, I remember I had a class in college that was a business class and had this teacher and he'd just called the role. He wouldn't even look up. He'd just, you know, he'd just go through the names. And first day in class, it was a law class. He goes through and he goes, uh, he gives my name, Joe Jones and I'm here. The only time I've ever seen him look up, he looks up and he goes, yeah. Right. <laugh> who you hiding from?
Speaker 2 00:27:22 <laugh> Jojo. What are your witness? Projection.
Speaker 1 00:27:25 It's an alias name, man. <laugh> you can't get away with that.
Speaker 2 00:27:28 So call enroll in class. There was one time in school that, uh, sometimes we would take turns going to classes. You know, if it was a, if it was a class that you didn't need and one time in class I answered for, I think six people, one of them was a female
Speaker 1 00:27:43 <laugh> oh, oh. How many times did we do that? In college? None promised none.
Speaker 2 00:27:49 Yeah. Yep. Now we're hearing incriminating myself. Exactly.
Speaker 1 00:27:54 Oh, all right. Let's see. Chiropractor. Where, where did we go? Uh, let's see, we got some elbow in today. 10 to nine is media and lateral. We got some carpool tunnel.
Speaker 2 00:28:05 Oh, we should do a, we should do a podcast on adjusting animals. Have you ever seen my YouTube video of Henry? Me adjusting him? Mm-hmm
Speaker 2 00:28:14 It's got 375,000 views. Wow. It's crazy. That's uh, I have a YouTube channel. I don't, I don't, I've been posting more on it lately, but that's by far the video that most people have watched of me adjusting Henry. And I'll link to that video when the show knows my YouTube channel is chase Horton, chiropractor on YouTube. And uh, I use the arthro stem mainly. Yeah. It's funny to see the P the comments people make on there. Most of them are positive. Like, oh man, I'd love to get my dog adjusted like this. And other ones are like, oh, the dog looks so uncomfortable. You shouldn't be treating that dog like that. And I'm like, this is my dog. Like, he knows what I'm doing. He obviously loves it. I'm using the massage going on. Every time I turn that massage going on, he comes running. Yeah. I can be across the room. I can turn the hyper volt on. He darts across the room. Just, just begging for me to work on his hips with it,
Speaker 1 00:29:03 99.9% of the time dogs and horses. When I adjust them, their endorphins are flying. I've had horses that just Dr. All the way to the ground while I'm being treated, you know, it's initially it's a new thing, but they, they come to love it. And, you know, your arthro that you're talking about, that's probably the most popular way to adjust most quadrats if you will. And no, there's no discomfort to it whatsoever. Um, it just, sometimes it's some animals, like anything else, a little more skiddish. And so it's probably more the noise or the fact that something new is happening, but only for a minute, but you know, when you're done, he loves it. Right.
Speaker 2 00:29:39 I like that. Art throw stem so much more than an activator too. Just, just in general, you know, of course an activator. It, it has its place sometimes, I guess, but the arthro stem, I think blows it outta the water big time.
Speaker 1 00:29:51 Uh, I've used them both. Yeah. Uh, they, um, just sometimes it depends upon availability, but it's easier on us too, to use arthro stem because it's a trigger as opposed to the, you know, the activator, especially when you're adjusting a horse, that activator is pretty darn strong and it will wear your hand out.
Speaker 2 00:30:09 I've got an unpopular opinion here that I'll share with you. I'll I'll get your take on it. But I formed this opinion by simple, critical thinking. I don't believe that an activator can move a pelvis. Doesn't make sense. If that tiny of an impulse could move a pelvis, then every step you took, your pelvis would be shifting position more so than it is designed to think about a hockey player gets checked. His pelvis would end up in two pieces. If an activator could move a pelvis. Don't what do you think?
Speaker 1 00:30:42 Well, you know, it's this known as a low force technique, but on the neurological level, uh, it is creating cellular response, which is why some of these low force techniques do work
Speaker 2 00:30:59 Like N E T you know, like a spinal like network and things like that. I've never had that done, but I'll tell I would, I would be interested in just trying
Speaker 1 00:31:06 It. Well, you know, here again, it's still round, right? People are getting well with it. So, um,
Speaker 2 00:31:11 That's that one where they really don't even touch you and it looks totally. Woo woo. When you see it, if you don't know what you're seeing, I've seen videos of it and I've saw, I've seen it in action in school. You see this guy basically hovering his hand over someone's spine, but what's weird when they've got their hand there, the person is face down. Can't see where the hand is, but you'll see their back starting to move or starting to undulate or starting to re reposition itself. And there's something going on there. I don't know what it is. I can't explain it, but I don't do that technique. But I would like to try just to see what it's like.
Speaker 1 00:31:49 Absolutely. There's a lot out there that we don't know. And then once we do, we look at that and go, well, that makes sense. Right? How many people can actually say that about chiropractic? Oh, what? You can't pop a bone back into place that's been around for as long as chiropractic has, right?
Speaker 2 00:32:04 That's why we have a 15% utilization rate. I think it is
Speaker 1 00:32:08 Still yes.
Speaker 2 00:32:10 Climbing. It's getting
Speaker 1 00:32:10 More. No, it's abs it's here to stay that's without a doubt. And, um, and it survived. What hundreds of years, uh, there's a reason for that.
Speaker 2 00:32:19 Um, you know, one reason that it's growing is YouTube videos and social media. I've had countless patients come in because they were watching videos and they decided they wanted to try it. They might not have tried it otherwise they might not have been exposed to it. Maybe no one recommended it to 'em, but they saw videos of people getting adjusted. And they said, I wanna try that, that there's definitely some weird videos out there. There's some techniques that I don't necessarily recommend, but if it gets people to open that door and try it out, then I'm all for it.
Speaker 1 00:32:50 20 years ago. Most of it was word of mouth right now. It's um, word of social network.
Speaker 2 00:32:57 I remember when Facebook was just people posting pictures of their pets and what they have for dinner. Now everyone's gotta tell me their political opinion. They gotta tell me their professional, economical opinion on taxes. Oh, I think, uh, last time I saw you, you were, uh, shaking your tail feathers in front of the mirror. And now you're gonna tell me you're a professional information on, uh, national tax policy. I, I think you can save that one
Speaker 1 00:33:19 Because they can, and somewhere somebody is probably listening. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:33:25 What do you think, brother? You wanna wrap this one up?
Speaker 1 00:33:28 Hey, well, I'm not done. I'm just gonna say that, but yes.
Speaker 2 00:33:31 Well put a pin in. It will to be continued until next Monday.
Speaker 1 00:33:35 Everybody have a great
Speaker 2 00:33:36 Week. Always a pleasure brother. <laugh> always a pleasure brother.
Speaker 1 00:33:43 Same to you, bro. Thanks.